RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 30, 2018 at 4:36 pm
(This post was last modified: March 30, 2018 at 4:37 pm by GrandizerII.)
(March 30, 2018 at 4:35 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(March 30, 2018 at 4:34 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Everything that begins to exist must have a [material] cause. Material cause is sufficient cause. This is far more reasonable than saying that something can be made from nothing. And if you're going to argue that "material cause is sufficient cause" is arbitrary, so is "efficient cause is sufficient cause". People who continue to defend the KCA to this day, despite the logic and science, are doing nothing more but play word games. They're not doing proper logic.
Are you arguing both sides?
No, but you should've known the answer without me saying.
(March 30, 2018 at 4:35 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(March 30, 2018 at 4:34 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Everything that begins to exist must have a [material] cause. Material cause is sufficient cause. This is far more reasonable than saying that something can be made from nothing. And if you're going to argue that "material cause is sufficient cause" is arbitrary, so is "efficient cause is sufficient cause". People who continue to defend the KCA to this day, despite the logic and science, are doing nothing more but play word games. They're not doing proper logic.
Are you arguing both sides? Do you agree with the first premise of the KCA?
The first premise isn't clear. If by "cause", you mean "material cause", then the universe must be eternal.
