RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 30, 2018 at 4:50 pm
(March 30, 2018 at 4:46 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(March 30, 2018 at 4:43 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I already said the first premise isn't clear. If by "cause", you mean "material cause", then the conclusion should state that the universe must be eternal, not have a beginning (according to premise 2).
I only asked you about the first premise.... there was no mention of universe in that premise? And I'm not asking for your evaluation of the entire argument.
edit: Do you agree with the first premise?
Define "cause" properly. Are we talking "material" or "efficient" or "formal" or "final" or some non-Aristotelian type of cause or a combination of types of causes?