RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 30, 2018 at 5:06 pm
(March 30, 2018 at 4:50 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(March 30, 2018 at 4:46 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I only asked you about the first premise.... there was no mention of universe in that premise? And I'm not asking for your evaluation of the entire argument.
edit: Do you agree with the first premise?
Define "cause" properly. Are we talking "material" or "efficient" or "formal" or "final" or some non-Aristotelian type of cause or a combination of types of causes?
By "cause", I simply mean that it is contingent or dependent on something else for that existence. For your Aristotelian list, then efficient would likely be the closest. I'm not getting overly complicated, or anything. It seems to me, that given your other statement, you would necessarily have to agree with the first premise of the KCA.
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