RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
April 3, 2018 at 2:36 am
(This post was last modified: April 3, 2018 at 2:40 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(March 27, 2018 at 8:59 am)possibletarian Wrote:(March 26, 2018 at 3:03 pm)SteveII Wrote: There is no category error because only you are limiting the premise to be material things. There are a large number of things that do no have material causes:
1. The thing that makes you "you".
2. Mathematical objects.
3. Ideas, novels, and symphonies
4. Language
5. Classes, properties, descriptions
How many of these exist apart from our material universe ?
Round about...... none of them.
(March 27, 2018 at 11:24 am)SteveII Wrote: So, if we can't conceive of such a reality, why would we deny the premise "anything that begins to exist has a cause" is a lot more likely true than not?
Everything that begins to exist does have a cause... but there's absolutely no reason for the first cause to be God.
And, furthermore, the totality of existence itself doesn't begin to exist. It is the first cause, if causality (or anything) is going to make sense at all.
What has this got to do with disproving Odin by the way?
