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Shroud of Turin more legit after research?
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RE: Shroud of Turin more legit after research?
(April 8, 2018 at 7:13 am)Grandizer Wrote: OP, I thought that NDEs were the only reason you remain a Christian? Were you not telling us the truth when you said that, or is this recent new information for you?

I never even considered the shroud, but I never really researched it either. Because it was recently Easter many members of my congregation were talking about DNA proof that it was really Jesus (a man with xx chromosome), they said research and examination found there were no paint brush strokes meaning it could not have been painted, said that forensic testing in the past was proven to be flawed, and that some incredible light (as mentioned in the bible) came about when he came back to life, also creating the image, and they found 3D imagery. They also found marks on his back and areas which the bible also mentioned, so I thought it was interesting.

(April 8, 2018 at 3:45 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(April 7, 2018 at 8:46 pm)orthodox-man Wrote: Question from Bubsy:

this is a question I found on "AsktheAtheist" and I would like to get some of your impressions. Jesus was only in a tomb for 3 days, and yet the shroud seems very impressive! 

"I suggest you watch this video, which is a summary video that shows all the relevant articles from 2009 upwards instead of going to the articles one by one. It’s faster and easier. [2018 UPDATE! SHROUD OF TURIN REVEALS SECRETS | STRANGE END TIMES SIGNS () Within it at the 3:25 minute marker it has information on: The ultraviolet light necessary to do so “exceeds the maximum number release from all ultra-violet light sources available today” and It would require “pulses having durations shorter than one-forthy-billionth of a second, and intensities on the order of several billion watts” ***********

Back to my point: * The evidence they have found is that the image is no oil painting and it is caused by light in the UVB range at burst of several million micro seconds and energy release of everal billion kilowatts. * Science has literally confirmed it is a crucified man and that the image has been produced by no natural light but a light that is several billion kw of energy and bursts of light as short as a millionth of a second. * It was highly superficial but strong enough to cause an imprint. * Christian imagines what Jesus looks like and this comes indirectly from the Shroud image that was responsible for most of the early portraits of Jesus from 300 A.D. Therefore: Since our greatest minds can not conceive of how the image was made except by supernatural means, perhaps logic dictates the Shroud is physical evidence of a supernatural event – the resurrection of Jesus."

Thoughts about the light burst?

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The quoted figures are not from an examination of the shroud itself, but from attempts to replicate the result.  The final efforts were close, but not complete matches.  All this shows is that if you assume the shroud had to be created by a burst of light, then startling conclusions may follow.  But the problem lies in that initial assumption that the shroud could only have been produced in that manner.  We don't know how the shroud image was produced, and we may never know.  That doesn't justify any conclusion other than agnosticism about the shroud's origin.  What we do know is that radiocarbon dating indicates that the shroud is far less than the required two thousand years old.  Partisans of the authenticity of the shroud don't like that, and so they attempt to cast doubt upon the dating itself.  This is nothing more than an example of shooting the messenger because you don't like the message.

Quote:Di Lazzaro and his colleagues at Italy’s National Agency for New Technologies, Energy and Sustainable Economic Development (ENEA) conducted five years of experiments, using state-of-the-art excimer lasers to train short bursts of ultraviolet light on raw linen, in an effort to simulate the image’s coloration. The ENEA team, which published its findings in 2011, came tantalizingly close to approximating the image’s distinctive hue on a few square centimeters of fabric. But they were unable to match all the physical and chemical characteristics of the shroud image. Nor could they reproduce a whole human figure.

The ultraviolet light necessary to do so “exceeds the maximum power released by all ultraviolet light sources available today,” says Di Lazzaro. It would require “pulses having durations shorter than one forty-billionth of a second, and intensities on the order of several billion watts.”

If the most advanced technologies available in the 21st century could not produce a facsimile of the shroud image, he reasons, how could it have been executed by a medieval forger?

Why Shroud of Turin's Secrets Continue to Elude Science
Apparently though the carbon dating was flawed because they took a piece of the cloth that wasn't an original piece of cloth, and many of the attributes are equivalent in the bible
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RE: Shroud of Turin more legit after research? - by orthodox-man - April 8, 2018 at 7:44 pm

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