(April 8, 2018 at 2:27 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(April 7, 2018 at 6:33 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I mean, if you're using C# and .NET code, then sure. However nothing you said above is any different on Linux using another programming language. Stuff like Ruby on Rails, Python (e.g. Django), or PHP frameworks all work just fine, in exactly the manner you've described.
Except that nobody has a computer with any of this already installed. Almost everyone I know in Korea has access to at least one Windows-based computer. I suspect for solo projects, I might find Linux more flexible than Windows in a lot of ways. However, I couldn't for example throw an app on a download page and tell customers to download it.
I'm pretty sure Windows doesn't come pre-installed with everything you need for C# or .NET development either, just saying.
Quote:But that's what I'm saying. All Microsoft products are connected by that common thread. I can either create C# scripts directly IN Office files, or I can use libraries built into .NET to access the files in my apps. Other than that, I can use exclusively Microsoft solutions and custom-designed programs. I don't have to wory about RoR, Python, PHP. I don't have to look up documentation on a dozen different sites to figure out how a lot of 3rd party or indie stuff works.
...which is great...if you know Microsoft stuff. My point is that you can say the same stuff about C# and .NET. If you're experienced in those, then of course you don't have to look up documentation. If you are experienced with PHP or Python or Ruby, you don't have to look up documentation on those either.
Quote:Microsoft, essentially, is the one ring that rules them all.
I fail to see how this differs from any major framework. I mean, even Django (python framework) has a test web server built in so you can run your code off your local machine during development. It even has a feature which auto re-deploys the app when it detects a code change.
Quote:I don't mean to be insulting. I know that tech fights get out of control because people are so invested in their own framework. A lot of it is probably just ignorance on my part. However, I'm pretty sure I could do a Youtube video of me putting together a custom solution over a few hours, including deploying an app to customers, another app to run in the background on my server, and website code, that someone using Linux would have to take a lot more time on.
I'm not invested in any framework, I'm not a developer. I'm just pointing out that any argument you make against a non-Microsoft framework can be used against a Microsoft framework. I disagree with your assertion that it's faster to deploy an app using Microsoft than it is using Linux. I think maybe your point about ignorance is correct (I don't mean that as a diss), you are used to Microsoft, of course it seems good to you. I'm not saying it doesn't have a place, but just because you are inexperienced with Linux doesn't mean it's not as fast to deploy apps, etc.
(April 8, 2018 at 4:48 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: one of the main reasons that made me choose Microsoft's "ASP.NET" and C# was the security. Any produced app/ web app will be very secured. PHP frameworks don't provide a very secured server side environment as far as I know. That's why banks use .NET
Oh man, I can't begin to tell you how wrong you are.
ASP.NET doesn't have a good track record for security either. I agree, PHP's is pretty crappy too. However I disagree about the framework point, most PHP frameworks work around PHP's insecurity and actually provide a pretty secure platform for development. What we are generally seeing in the security business is actually more security with frameworks than ever before. We used to advise people not to use frameworks, but now we advise them to always use them.
Banks use .NET because it's Microsoft, and they know Microsoft. However a lot of their legacy systems are still running FORTRAN or COBOL, and computer security really isn't their first thought when creating an app, sorry to say.
