(September 4, 2011 at 1:07 pm)Castle Wrote:(September 4, 2011 at 3:54 am)coffeeveritas Wrote:That is more of an open view than most Christian I chatted with. More empowerment for the women, alright.
Many of the Christian express to me anything that had to do with lust, was sinful. The reason for having sex according to many of these other Christians was to be fruitful and multiply more Christians.
Like it was part of God's plan, like every seed is sacred for this one-sided group.
The traditional view of sex that many churches put forth is just really not based on anything in the Bible. If you follow the development of the church's views on sex they were actually written by celibate monks who had nothing to do. Their whole lives were based on the guiding principle of "DON'T HAVE SEX OR TOUCH YOURSELF" and they are the same people that wrote the church's book on sexuality. Of course there have long been dissenting opinions.
The Bible seems to be fine with sex and sexuality, including that book of erotic poetry I mentioned earlier. There are verses that warn strongly about "sexual immorality" but Paul was mostly talking about the large weekly orgies that took place as part of the pagan worship of various gods. Unprotected sex with large numbers of prostitutes during a pagan ritual is probably something I would caution against as well, but there were Christians in the early church who were going. Another thing Paul is pretty adamant about is not marrying your own stepmother, but I think most of use don't like that one either. So when the NT talks about "sexual immorality" it's like, on a whole other level from what we're thinking about. Some Caligula kind of stuff.
(September 4, 2011 at 1:07 pm)Castle Wrote: It is written your GOD lives in the dark, is that why so many Christian live in the dark about masturbation, gays, and so many other areas about our sexuality. Is your GOD really all loving, when so many Christian carry too many negative things about sex,
I can't even love myself first; I must love him first, according to your God.
Jerkin for Jesus is not my style, and too gay for me to turn myself on.
Where is it written that God lives in the dark? He's usually described as the "Father of Heavenly Lights", or the "light of the world" or something.
But you are right when you say that many Christians are in the dark on a lot of sexual issues. Actually America as a country is not very sexually healthy, we have a lot of fear and angst surrounding sexuality (I wouldn't say it's ALL the churches fault, but man did we chip in on that one). It's really hard to do, but the church and the country at large has to learn to accept that we are sexual beings, and that being sexual is a natural and good part of life, not something to be afraid of.