RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
April 26, 2018 at 12:48 am
(This post was last modified: April 26, 2018 at 2:21 am by robvalue.)
(April 25, 2018 at 5:20 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:(April 24, 2018 at 4:13 am)robvalue Wrote: What does "natural" mean? Hasn't God pre-programmed everything?
I'm afraid what you're saying makes no sense to me. At least, it's no excuse for god's actions. There's torture because he wanted torture. Is there some sort of restriction God had to work around? What's the point of any of this anyway? We're just actors in his theatre that he decided would be self-aware.
His restriction is righteousness and balance; in their purest and most perfect form.
Look at these verses:
Quote:Sura 55, The Quran:
( 1 ) The Most Merciful
( 2 ) Taught the Qur'an,
( 3 ) Created man,
( 4 ) [And] taught him eloquence.
( 5 ) The sun and the moon [move] by precise calculation,
( 6 ) And the stars and trees prostrate.
( 7 ) And the heaven He raised and imposed the balance
( 8 ) That you not transgress within the balance.
( 9 ) And establish weight in justice and do not make deficient the balance.
He created the balance and chose it as means for his rule. Whichever comes first: the choice or the creation.
That's God's standard if you asked me. For evil; their must be good. For rich; there must be poor. Eat a lot; you get fat.
That's how I see it. And that's what the verse taught me at least:respect the balance and you'll succeed.
If you ask me why we exist; I'll directly answer: because the balance dictates so. God chose it as a standard.
(April 24, 2018 at 6:42 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Nope if god chooses to create a universe with disasters he's as evil as a gang who tortures people . And no the bullshit excuse that there is a super secret hidden meaning is just that . By that logic any criminal could say "i had a super secret reason to murder 22 people therefore you can't find me guilty . If i would not believe him why would i believe a god .
In your human perspective they are disasters.
In the perspective of others entities, they are the givers of life.
(April 24, 2018 at 7:22 am)robvalue Wrote: I can't figure out what atlas is trying to say, he seems to be simultaneously claiming that God is behind everything; but there's some other force at work or some inevitabilities which remove responsibilty from God. Mind you, that is the most common mindset I encounter.
No, there is other force; I assure you
It sounds like God decided on those restrictions of "righteousness and balance", rather than them being things that restrict him in the first place. Either way, it's a pretty twisted interpretation of those words to see torture as part of them; especially for the "crime" of not being a Muslim and daring to live one's life as one sees best. Oh, and of course, we have no choice whether we are a Muslim or not because God already decided, so there's absolutely nothing righteous about that. Someone who enjoys torturing his hapless creations is hardly likely to be honest about it in his manual, is he? He'll write whatever excuse he wants.
Speaking of which, I've already mentioned how you've invalidated every conversation that ever happens as being a pre-written dialogue by God. We're all just characters in his story, saying what he wants us to say. But he's really obsessed with meta-stories, I've noticed. Not only does he write that some people worship him (narcissist) and that those who don't get tortured (sadist, egotist); but he's written you as a character who discovers he is indeed a character in a story, by reading things in a book within the story.
And he's written me as a character who discusses, within the story, the fact that another character has discovered they are a character in the story by reading a book within the story. Did God write inception? Oh, of course he did. He wrote everything.
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