RE: The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God
May 1, 2018 at 9:09 pm
(This post was last modified: May 1, 2018 at 9:20 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 1, 2018 at 8:43 pm)Hammy Wrote:Oh, is that what the conclusion is supposed to be? Heaven forfend I get in the way of reaching your desired conclusion, lol.(May 1, 2018 at 11:55 am)Khemikal Wrote: It doesn't concern me, in the least, that a condensed and more accurate counterargument to divine necessity in moral realism fails to lead to your intended conclusion. I rate that as a pro, not a con.
It's not more condensed and more accurate. It's more condensed and leads to an entirely different conclusion. Both are accurate. You have failed to demonstrate how my argument is supposedly not valid or "does not follow" despite the fact that it clearly does. And if the conclusion of your argument isn't the same as the conclusion of my argument then it's not a shorter version of my argument so I don't care if it doesn't concern you because you are being irrelevant to the OP. The conclusion is supposed to be that it's less rational to believe in God if objective morality exists... not merely that you don't need God to believe in it. That should go without saying and is already one of the premises in my argument. You've effectively lead yourself to a conclusion that is already one of the premises in my argument. Of course you don't need God for objective moral values. The point is that if objective moral values exist it's more rational to believe in them without belief in God. And THAT is what your argument is supposed to address if you're actually going to be relevant to the OP.
In any case, Neo's right. Your idea of objective morality is incoherent, and not at all what anyone is referring to in moral realism. Imagine how much it pains me to say those words. Neos right. There...I did it again. Why Ham, why did you make me do that?
Moving along, moral realism not only lacks any divine contingency..the likelihood of moral realism being true is completely unaffected by the existence of a god. It's not more or less likely that moral realism is true in the case of an existent god or a nonexistent one.
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