(May 3, 2018 at 4:45 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:(May 2, 2018 at 8:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote: This guy I met today is from Pakistan, and no, I don't know how you can fit a guy named Stan in your suitcase. Get it? "Pack A Stan"? HA, I made a funny.
Stan is not a Pakistani name as much as I know; it's an Urdu word for "place of"...notice "Pakistan";; PAKI then STAN
Afghani STAN...and so on.
The terrorists that Regan invited to the oval office back in the 80s are from Pakistan and Afghanistan; Brian.
The frontline soldiers against the USSR were Pakistani & Afghani natives who agreed to fight against the soviet invasion. The money+spiritual values were Saudi, The planning was American.
So that's my context. Nothing against other Muslims; nothing against your friend; but everything against the Islam of Saudi Arabia, that the white house boosted in the 80s and found a decent have in the ranks of the Afghani+Pakistani Mujahideen.
(May 2, 2018 at 9:02 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Your views on what should or should not be the basis of Islam is no more privileged than theirs. But at least you engage in the same bigotry towards Muslims whose opinions differ from theirs, just like they do. You have that much in common.
No?
Sunni/Shiite Islam sees that Muslims should kill me. I don't want to kill them. Forgot this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
Quote:Hadith
See also: Malik ibn Nuwayrah and Criticism of Hadith
In contrast to the Qur'an, hadith literature gives contradictory statements about punishments for apostasy.[22][44]
In Sahih al-Bukhari, the most important book in Sunni Islam after the Quran, and Sahih Muslim punishments for apostasy are described as follows:[45][46]
If standing against the above is bigotry; then hello hello bigotry; I'm proud to be a bigot.
Sunni and Shiite Islam, through the Hadith, orders to KILL any opposing opinion.
I follow the Quran alone. There is no killing for an apostate in my religion. So how do I compare to it?
Hopefully this guy will join this board soon, said he had problems signing in. Trust me any real terrorist would avoid a page like where I met him and he wouldn't have the sense of humor he did. I have run into plenty of X Muslims over the past 16 years, this guy is an atheist now.
Atlass, glad you don't want to kill anyone, but that is not a holy writing leading you to non violence, that is your evolutionary empathy for others.
You can look into ANY holy writing of ANY religion in the world, and it will have members who point to their writings and stories and icons and say, "See this proves we are good."
Our species ability to be compassionate or cruel is in our genes. Our behaviors as a species, good or bad, are natural and not manipulated by any super natural power.
If you are a good person, that is YOU the individual, not a book, not a deity.
And I'll say this to anyone of any religion. Even if one stays in it for life, no matter how much I think you don't need it, I'll still be on your side when you value non violence and common law. I'll still spend my time trying to convince you you don't need any religion, but I have no desire to use physical violence or force of government law to deny anyone their dignity of existence.
