(May 7, 2018 at 11:25 am)CDF47 Wrote:(May 6, 2018 at 8:45 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: And it's fantasy delusion for the win!
No, atheism hasn't won this debate.
(May 6, 2018 at 10:12 pm)Khemikal Wrote: What undesigned thing can you point to for comparison? To show us the difference that makes design demonstrable? Additionally, why would it matter if dna were designed?
DNA is designed which means there is a Designer. We then look at the universe and realize it too is designed. From there it is time to turn to theology for answers.
(May 6, 2018 at 10:36 pm)Magilla Wrote: Living things have designs. As humans we can look at the designs and recognise them. The design we can see can be explained in purely natural terms, without pre-planning having been involved. Multiplicities of trial and error by natural processes lead to the designs we see in nature. Evolution explains the apparency of design, and involves no god, nothing supernatural, and is well documented.
In evolution, new forms must necessarily be based on or derived from old forms. Because of this, not all designs arrived at by evolution, are optimal. Any solutions which evolution comes up with, merely have to be operational, and need not be optimal. Much of the design in nature is non-optimal, and indicative of a non-intelligent derivation.
Evidence of non-designed, or not pre-planned design, points to a no designer answer. Theological answers to poor design merely explain away such a thing. A lack of a designer explains the evidence of poor designs in nature. There is much documented evidence of poor design, which points a lack of intelligence in the source of the designs found.
A highly sophisticated digital code was found in DNA. It's designed by a Designer.
How did this designer do the designing?
What was the procedure?
Where is your evidence for this procedure?
What are tools used by the designer and what is your evidence for those tools?
How long does it take for a design?
And given these designs why are there stupid ones?
Why do whales have lungs if they were designed?
etc etc et bloody cetera.
What you have failed to do is say anything other than you don't understand something, therefore god.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.