RE: My view and reasons for them. Atheist and Christians welcome here. (short)
May 7, 2018 at 9:18 pm
(May 7, 2018 at 8:13 pm)Quick Wrote:(May 7, 2018 at 3:17 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Then you're not an agnostic though you may be a pantheist.
I have no belief in gods so I am an atheist. I don't argue that gods don't exist so I am also agnostic. I do however think that gods which people have so long believed in do not justify a belief in anything supernatural. God belief is natural. But that doesn't mean people have been correct to posit some ultra dimension in which they may exist. God belief exists in people's experience and that is where you need to look to find of what a god actually consists.
Yes, I more or less straddle the line between agnostic and pantheist because I believe that there may or may not be a God that explains out existence and that if there is a God that this God likely is/was more just the push that put the universe into existence. That said, I do believe there are active effects of this supposed God's existence that are represented as phenomenon that cannot be explained.
You didn't ask me a question, so I was not quite sure how to respond.
Fair enough. I was basically challenging your self description as an agnostic. Given what you've just written it seems all the less likely. In response to the question "does a god exist", your answer would seem to be "yes, there are effects of this supposed God's existence that are represented as phenomenon that cannot be explained (otherwise)". Whether or not you are certain, your belief status where God/gods is concerned is affirmative. You have your reasons even if you're not completely certain. It isn't as though you don't think there is any way to know whether gods exist, you've just given one.
I don't claim to know for certainty that gods do not exist but until there is a very good reason to think there might be I choose to ignore the question. So in the meantime I'm a weak atheist: no belief in gods, no claim that they do not exist. But frankly I don't really care either. Do you?
If there was a God or gods how would that change how you live your life? Do suppose that would mean we'd have an afterlife as well?