(May 10, 2018 at 9:34 pm)Hammy Wrote:(May 10, 2018 at 9:30 pm)robvalue Wrote: Yup, neither of those things have been demonstrated.
Fine tuning is particularly funny to me because it suggests God went through two "design" stages. The first one was to sabotage himself so badly that he could only receive the results he wanted in one particular way. Even then, he could still only just succeed in the most marginal way possible (life being able to exist in virtually 0% of the environment created for it).
The whole so-called 'argument' just stems from an incoherent premise. The idea that the beginning of anything existing at all the way it does could be 'improbable'.
The anthropic principle deals with it easily. If only 0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.01% of possible worlds can have life in them then we're clearly in that possible world. That's not improbable... that's certain.
We are in a universe perfect for our existence. If the constants were any different, we wouldn't exist.