RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 12:25 pm
(This post was last modified: May 14, 2018 at 1:15 pm by Mister Agenda.)
CDF47 Wrote:Mathilda Wrote:So what stops micro-changes from accumulating?
I've asked this several times now and not one single attempt at an answer.
Evolution. It's not designed to change kinds.
Evolution wasn't designed at all. It's just what happens once you have high fidelity but imperfect replication. 'Kinds' is a biblical term with no specific scientific meaning.
One of the most ludicrous parts of the creationist rejection of 'macroevolution' is that it doesn't even contradict the Bible. If a 'kind' gave birth to anything but it's own 'kind', it would falsify evolution, which operates on a much vaster scale. Current species came into being across a continuum of thousands of generations, no generation of which was a different 'kind' than the preceding one. It's only when you look at the accumulated changes across those thousands of generations that significant differences occur. Every 'kind' DOES give birth to it's own 'kind', and evolution is evidence of that. A scientific theory that proves that one kind never gives birth to another, and creationists reject it, because 'kinds' are not preserved over millions of generations unless they are very well adapted to their environment and that environment doesn't change much (and even then, if you could clone a specimen that many generations back, it couldn't interbreed with its modern descendants, even if they look the same, because of genetic drift).
CDF47 Wrote:The 613 commands were for the Jews of the OT. We are under grace in the NT. Dragons, beasts,..., are used symbolically in the Bible.
Lots of things are used symbolically in the Bible. It's not a book of science and does not claim to be. Even if inspired by God, God clearly did not intend to explain to the Hebrews anything like a scientific origin for life or the universe. It was metaphorical, and the details of biology weren't important to the meaning of the stories. I think many of the ancients would be surprised that so many people today take their stories more literally than most of the people who told them did.
CDF47 Wrote:possibletarian Wrote:So at that point does it stop changing or adapting any more ? and micro changes no longer take place.
Also what exactly is a 'kind' ?
I presume microevolution can continue within the kind. Kind is a species.
Speciation has been scientifically observed many times. I suggest you retreat from 'kind is a species'. We've had these conversations before with others, keep going up the chain of taxonomy until you reach a point that the number of changes required for the change to be observed is longer than a human lifespan and claim fossils and genetic relationships proven by DNA don't count as evidence. Different partner, same dance.
CDF47 Wrote:Abaddon_ire Wrote:Not according to Jesus
Dr. Steven C. Meyer, Dr. Lawrence Krauss, Stephen Hawking, and numerous others...., all thought the Big Bang came from a singularity. Hawking's calculations showed space with infinite curvature at this point so at the point of 0 time there was 0 space. How much matter and energy exists in 0 space?
And did they think the singularity came from absolute nothingness? Was Hawking the only scientist you could find who said what you want to claim is our position who was too dead to challenge how you're using his work?
CDF47 Wrote:possibletarian Wrote:So the scientific community involved in these area's don't have a basic understanding ?
I never said they didn't. There is a bias in the community to keep ID out. See the movie "Expelled." Have you ever seen it?
Laughed all the way through. What a piece of dishonest trash masquerading as a documentary!
CDF47 Wrote:possibletarian Wrote:Maybe you could share your irrefutable evidence with them
Many of them already know it and just try to suppress it.
Why? Science rewards those who upend current theories. The Nobel is an example of a fiduciary reward. The person who proves DNA was designed will go down in history for one of the most significant discoveries ever made. Rather than trying to suppress it, they should be competing to be the first to publish.
CDF47 Wrote:Nay_Sayer Wrote:It wasn't even remotely close to rhyming. Continued prayers lost one.
I will pray for you though to the True God.
Please pray particularly for me. If there's a one true God, I'd like to know. I'm very open to a 'road to Damascus moment', and I haven't even being persecuting Jews, so with you praying for me, that ought to do it. Say by Wednesday next, so I can share the miracle with my fellow doubters?
And if you have enough pull for that, maybe get him to end childhood Leukemia. Not asking for a lot, just one disease to miraculously stop inflicting us. He can even substitute an extra one for adults to balance things out if that's what he likes.
CDF47 Wrote:Tizheruk Wrote:Exactly what truthers do and is done with this movie .exposing it's many lies and distortions of real science .
You mean exposing the liars and identifying real science.
So you're a truther, too? At least you're consistent.
CDF47 Wrote:Minimalist Wrote:Yes, indeed. Anything that protects against asinine bible bullshit is quite valuable as a vaccine.
The plague of religion has spread unchecked for far too long. Amusingly, like the Black Death, it too is spread by rats.
Neo-Darwinism which leads to atheism is the plague.
Not according to the Pope.
CDF47 Wrote:Abaddon_ire Wrote:I am an atheist. I believe in no god or gods. The simple fact remains that as described in your holey babble, your god is a nasty piece of work.
And you like it.
No, He's not. He is just, merciful, trustworthy, and loving. He has a wrath though and He punishes sin.
I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil
CDF47 Wrote:I read the Bible cover to cover and study it frequently. The accusations you make are not warranted. God allows evil to happen but He is not the author of evil, satan is. You are just a hater of God.
And who created Satan? Who allowed a serpent in the Garden to tempt naïve humans who didn't know good from evil?
CDF47 Wrote:The bacteria is still bacteria and the fruit fly is still a fruit fly.
But not the same species of bacteria, and not the same species of fruit fly. You better run away from kind=species fast. Like they all do.
CDF47 Wrote:The fruit fly is still a fruit fly. The ape is still an ape.
And there are multiple species of each. You said a kind is a species. Were I you and aware that 'kind' as species is absurd, I would retreat to ''kind' is clade. That way, only fossils and DNA prove you wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clade
CDF47 Wrote:pocaracas Wrote:But a different species of each.
Or are you going to tell me that there is only one species of bacteria on Earth, as well as only one species of Fruit Fly?
Don't change the meaning of words, now!
They are still the same genus and still the same family.
I recommend that of those two, go with genus. That will at least cut down on the real-time counter-examples.
CDF47 Wrote:Not at all. This thread is DNA proves the existence of a Creator which I have clearly shown.
Yeah, kind may refer to a genus.
It can refer to pretty much whatever biological classification you want, or want to make up, since it has no specific scientific meaning.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.