(May 14, 2018 at 12:02 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:CDF47 Wrote:it's not obvious at all. In fact, the more someone knows about DNA, the less likely they are to find it obvious that it was designed. The top people doing original work in the field are the most likely to think it wasn't designed, for instance, or at least most unlikely to think they've proven that it was designed.
Post source for this. Is there a Pew or Gallup poll to support this?
Rest of post are more baseless claims.
Nearly all scientists (97%) say humans and other living things have evolved over time – 87% say evolution is due to natural processes, such as natural selection. The dominant position among scientists – that living things have evolved due to natural processes – is shared by only about third (32%) of the public.
http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/s...er-issues/
Bolding mine.
CDF47 Wrote:Provide source of highlighted portion. Do you have a Pew or Gallup poll to back up this claim? I know of scientists who believe in the beginning there was 0 space volume with 0 matter. How much energy can that contain? Infinite density is impossible.
I'd say 'believe' is too strong a word for the position most scientists working in cosmology take towards the various hypotheses developed for explaining the origin of the universe (if any). You can find scientists who lean towards one or another, but that's about as close to 'believe' as you'll get. Believing a hypothesis that isn't supported by confirming evidence is hasty. They're also cautious about using the word 'impossible'. The 'scientists you know of' would probably be appalled at how you're trying to use their work.
CDF47 Wrote:What you did is a classic straw man argument and you know it. I didn't say we don't know how DNA evolved God did it. I said it is extremely sophisticated and highly complex and specific functional information which programs amino acid components to build functional molecular machines/proteins to operate in the cell is why it is designed.
In other words, you don't understand how natural processes could have resulted in that, therefore they couldn't have, and a Designer/God must have done it. Argument from Incredulity and Ignorance, plus God-of-the-gaps.
pocaracas Wrote:I'm going to use this.
Let's say there is some sort of creator of the Universe.
Could that creator not have created the Universe in such a way that all the biological machinery would eventually, in time, develop and become just as we see it today?
Could this all not be a product of evolution, planned by the creator?
Or are you of the opinion that the creator is incompetent and his initial act of creation needed some extra tweaking afterwards?
I've a friend who is a deist who made the point yesterday that his God is the greatest, it created life in the long run just by setting the universe in motion and letting the physical laws it established play out, never having to intervene again.
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With new information being input into the design, it shows the Creator is still involved with the creation. I believe the Creator is a personal Creator who wants to be involved with His creation.