(May 14, 2018 at 12:25 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:CDF47 Wrote:Evolution. It's not designed to change kinds.
Evolution wasn't designed at all. It's just what happens once you have high fidelity but imperfect replication. 'Kinds' is a biblical term with no specific scientific meaning.
One of the most ludicrous parts of the creationist rejection of 'macroevolution' is that it doesn't even contradict the Bible. If a 'kind' gave birth to anything but it's own 'kind', it would falsify evolution, which operates on a much vaster scale. Current species came into being across a continuum of thousands of generations, no generation of which was a different 'kind' than the preceding one. It's only when you look at the accumulated changes across those thousands of generations that significant differences occur. Every 'kind' DOES give birth to it's own 'kind', and evolution is evidence of that. A scientific theory that proves that one kind never gives birth to another, and creationists reject it, because 'kinds' are not preserved over millions of generations unless they are very well adapted to their environment and that environment doesn't change much (and even then, if you could clone a specimen that many generations back, it couldn't interbreed with its modern descendants, even if they look the same, because of genetic drift).
CDF47 Wrote:The 613 commands were for the Jews of the OT. We are under grace in the NT. Dragons, beasts,..., are used symbolically in the Bible.
Lots of things are used symbolically in the Bible. It's not a book of science and does not claim to be. Even if inspired by God, God clearly did not intend to explain to the Hebrews anything like a scientific origin for life or the universe. It was metaphorical, and the details of biology weren't important to the meaning of the stories. I think many of the ancients would be surprised that so many people today take their stories more literally than most of the people who told them did.
CDF47 Wrote:I presume microevolution can continue within the kind. Kind is a species.
Speciation has been scientifically observed many times. I suggest you retreat from 'kind is a species'. We've had these conversations before with others, keep going up the chain of taxonomy until you reach a point that the number of changes required for the change to be observed is longer than a human lifespan and claim fossils and genetic relationships proven by DNA don't count as evidence. Different partner, same dance.
CDF47 Wrote:Dr. Steven C. Meyer, Dr. Lawrence Krauss, Stephen Hawking, and numerous others...., all thought the Big Bang came from a singularity. Hawking's calculations showed space with infinite curvature at this point so at the point of 0 time there was 0 space. How much matter and energy exists in 0 space?
And did they think the singularity came from absolute nothingness? Was Hawking the only scientist you could find who said what you want to claim is our position who was too dead to challenge how you're using his work?
CDF47 Wrote:I never said they didn't. There is a bias in the community to keep ID out. See the movie "Expelled." Have you ever seen it?
Laughed all the way through. What a piece of dishonest trash masquerading as a documentary!
CDF47 Wrote:Many of them already know it and just try to suppress it.
Why? Science rewards those who upend current theories. The Nobel is an example of a fiduciary reward. The person who proves DNA was designed will go down in history for one of the most significant discoveries ever made. Rather than trying to suppress it, they should be competing to be the first to publish.
CDF47 Wrote:I will pray for you though to the True God.
Please pray particularly for me. If there's a one true God, I'd like to know. I'm very open to a 'road to Damascus moment', and I haven't even being persecuting Jews, so with you praying for me, that ought to do it. Say by Wednesday next, so I can share the miracle with my fellow doubters?
And if you have enough pull for that, maybe get him to end childhood Leukemia. Not asking for a lot, just one disease to miraculously stop inflicting us. He can even substitute an extra one for adults to balance things out if that's what he likes.
CDF47 Wrote:You mean exposing the liars and identifying real science.
So you're a truther, too? At least you're consistent.
CDF47 Wrote:Neo-Darwinism which leads to atheism is the plague.
Not according to the Pope.
CDF47 Wrote:No, He's not. He is just, merciful, trustworthy, and loving. He has a wrath though and He punishes sin.
I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil
CDF47 Wrote:I read the Bible cover to cover and study it frequently. The accusations you make are not warranted. God allows evil to happen but He is not the author of evil, satan is. You are just a hater of God.
And who created Satan? Who allowed a serpent in the Garden to tempt naïve humans who didn't know good from evil?
CDF47 Wrote:The bacteria is still bacteria and the fruit fly is still a fruit fly.
But not the same species of bacteria, and not the same species of fruit fly. You better run away from kind=species fast. Like they all do.
CDF47 Wrote:The fruit fly is still a fruit fly. The ape is still an ape.
And there are multiple species of each. You said a kind is a species. Were I you and aware that 'kind' as species is absurd, I would retreat to ''kind' is clade. That way, only fossils and DNA prove you wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clade
CDF47 Wrote:They are still the same genus and still the same family.
I recommend that of those two, go with genus. That will at least cut down on the real-time counter-examples.
CDF47 Wrote:Not at all. This thread is DNA proves the existence of a Creator which I have clearly shown.
Yeah, kind may refer to a genus.
It can refer to pretty much whatever biological classification you want, or want to make up, since it has no specific scientific meaning.
I retracted kind as a species to kind as a genus.
I agree the Bible is heavily symbolic. I believe the Bible is only 10 percent supernatural.
Most scientists believe the Big Bang Theory.
Expelled is a great movie.
Scientists have an agenda against ID. Maybe one day someone will get the Nobel with work in this field.
I will pray for you.
There is an agenda against ID. Don't have to belong to any truth movement for that. Although there is a system in place but that is a whole other topic.
I don't follow the pope or his claims. I am no longer Catholic.
That is from the KJV. ESV translates it "I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things."
God created Satan and Satan rebelled. There was a war in heaven. This world appears to have something to do with that war.
I said I retracted kind as a species to kind as a genus. There is no exact scientific definition, I agree.