DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[CDF47]

There is highly complex and specific information in DNA which can only come from a super intelligence.  The universe is also fine-tuned and had a beginning with the Big Bang.  These are three key features of design.  There are tons of others, like the body plan of living systems,...  Information in DNA is the proof though.

The bolded part is your claim. Where's your evidence of it?

And we've already spoken about the beginning of our cosmos not necessarily being the beginning of our universe, did you forget already?

You can't just say 'information in DNA is the proof' and be convincing. You have to explain WHY it's the proof. And you never even try, you're just dumbfounded that we don't take your world for it and trot out another link on how amazingly complicated DNA is.

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Because, where did the people that designed the DNA come from?  They too would require design if they were advanced enough to design and build DNA.

But that super-intelligence isn't advanced enough to require design, am I right?

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There is a evolutionary agenda they are following.  Breaking rank gets them targeted.

By a community that you've said yourself is majority theist. I don't find that plausible.

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I wasn't intending that to be a straw man argument.  My point was from the best we know the universe came from nothing and now we have everything we see.  That was my point.  I will stop using it in that way.

I appreciate that. I don't agree that as best we know the universe came from nothing at all, but I could be wrong. There are plausible hypotheses on how it could have come from nearly nothing (quantum foam, which may not be able to not exist), so there's that.

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I wasn't whining.  I don't care if there were a million atheists on this site.  You can't defeat truth in an argument.

When you bring up over and over how outnumbered you are, it REALLY sounds like whining.

One of the ways you tell something is true is if you can make an argument for it that is both sound and valid. That's not enough by itself for existential claims, you need evidence too (you can't just logic something into existence), but it's reasonable to ask that if something is actually true, it shouldn't be self-contradictory or contrary to observed reality and it should be able to stand up to reasonable skeptical scrutiny.

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Where does the information come from?  It must come from a super intelligence.  Still only two options.  Either intelligently or not intelligently designed.

As I said, the information comes from the reproductive environment. We can infer a lot about an organisms reproductive environment from its DNA because organisms adapt to their environment by the DNA of the most successful being selected for.

You accept 'microevolutionary adaptations', right? You get that they're adapting to their environment because variations that are more successful are preserved, right? That's how information about the environment gets into the genome.

And 'it must come from a super intelligence' is a claim that you haven't supported, so I am justified in dismissing that unsupported out of hand. If you don't give me a reason to take you seriously, why should I?

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Out of fear of reprisal.

But they're in the majority, right? There are more of them than there are mean old atheist scientists. Are theistic scientists particularly cowardly for some reason?

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Well they haven't and it is really annoying seeing them put down this way, over and over again.

But it's fine when you call them 'retarded people', eh?

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Nobody knows which religion will be the most populace in a few decades.  Only God knows that.

Demographic trends are pretty reliable. But okay, WOULD you still think so IF Muslims outnumber Christians in a few decades?

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True democracies are also majority rule.  We have a constitutional republic which protects specified rights as stated in the Constitution.

Can you name one 'true democracy' that is a country that actually exists today?

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Not sure what you mean.

The 'why' part. As in 'why does the information inside DNA have to come from a mind?' Your arguments seem to add up to 'it just does, that's why!'

I can say the complex and specified functional information inside DNA is the proof.

That super-intelligence is the primordial One I believe.  

It's the good old boy network (and secret societies) that use harassment as a weapon to control people.

I do believe the best we know is there was 0 space and matter in the beginning. 

I agree.

It comes from intelligence.

Good ole boy network.

You are the ones using the word creatard.

If they did in the coming decades I would believe that.

Switzerland.

Straw man.  I didn't say that's why, just because.  I said why.  I explained it is do to highly sophisticated extremely complex and specific functional information that programs the sequence of amino acids to form molecular machines/proteins at a nano-scale.