[quote][quote='Rhythm' pid='175917' dateline='1315441281']
What doesn't exist? Dreams, ponies, you? [/quote]
Do dream ponies exist? Nope. No evidence.
[quote]That you may have had a dream about a pony wouldn't be far fetched because we know that all of these things do exist, we have evidence for each. [/quote]
I don't care what you have evidence for. I only care about what you have no evidence for--my dream pony. There isn't any because they don't exist.
[quote]Tying them all together without hard evidence would require trust.[/quote]
Bullshit. I don't trust anybody who says they have had a dream about a pony because there is no evidence for them. Keep the faith, thanks, the only thing that counts is evidence and you have none whatsoever. I don't give a fuck about what you claim to know. I only care what you do know. If you can't demonstrate evidence for a dream pony, you have no pony.
[quote]That trust would be directly proportionate to the audacity of the claim ( and my judgement of your trustworthiness). [/quote]
That trust would be directly proportional to the idiocy of the person displaying it. What we know is what can be demonstrated, end of. Demonstrate your dream pony or STFU. I ain't got time for your faith. I base my entire worldview on evidence, and you ain't got any. You want to babble about faith, go talk to a fundie.
[quote]As has already been mentioned, if the claim where "I had a dream about a pony and then it appeared in my room" well, that one would require a bit more evidence.[/quote]
I'm sorry, but a bit more nothing is still nothing. There is no evidence for dream ponies and your faith-statements are not negotiable currency here in the real world, Rhythm.
[quote]Again, that any of these things themselves can be shown to exist makes it a less than fantastic claim, but again to be technical, as I've already mentioned, one would have to side with "didn't happen". [/quote]
Footprints, eh? Whatever. When you get a shred of evidence for the beast, say something. As of now, you are taking a lot of words to say nothing.
[quote]That's not exactly how human beings operate on a day to day basis with the mundane is it. [/quote]
Nope. But humans are known to be crazy, so who cares what they say? That's why we got science in the first place and given endless babble from crazy people or real evidence, I'm forced to side with the real. You can keep the unreal if it suits you. Just don't expect to be taken seriously as any kind of rational being.
[quote]The sorts of reasoning that we use for personal interaction have been shown to be inadequate with regards to claims of knowledge, specifically scientific knowledge. [/quote]
The only knowledge that can be claimed is that for which evidence exists. The rest is sound and fury, and I'm guessing even you know what that signifies.
[quote]I hope you don't feel that any of this is earth shattering for anyone involved.[/quote]
Hell no. It takes more than a little bit of logic and evidence to shake folks outta their faith, Rhythm. Surely you can vouch for that.
[quote]Your claim to absolute certainty is btw much more difficult to substantiate than some like, oh, IDK, materialism.[/quote]
No it isn't. There isn't a shred of evidence for my dream pony, and neither me nor anyone else can do anything about it. What's so hard to substantiate about that?
What doesn't exist? Dreams, ponies, you? [/quote]
Do dream ponies exist? Nope. No evidence.
[quote]That you may have had a dream about a pony wouldn't be far fetched because we know that all of these things do exist, we have evidence for each. [/quote]
I don't care what you have evidence for. I only care about what you have no evidence for--my dream pony. There isn't any because they don't exist.
[quote]Tying them all together without hard evidence would require trust.[/quote]
Bullshit. I don't trust anybody who says they have had a dream about a pony because there is no evidence for them. Keep the faith, thanks, the only thing that counts is evidence and you have none whatsoever. I don't give a fuck about what you claim to know. I only care what you do know. If you can't demonstrate evidence for a dream pony, you have no pony.
[quote]That trust would be directly proportionate to the audacity of the claim ( and my judgement of your trustworthiness). [/quote]
That trust would be directly proportional to the idiocy of the person displaying it. What we know is what can be demonstrated, end of. Demonstrate your dream pony or STFU. I ain't got time for your faith. I base my entire worldview on evidence, and you ain't got any. You want to babble about faith, go talk to a fundie.
[quote]As has already been mentioned, if the claim where "I had a dream about a pony and then it appeared in my room" well, that one would require a bit more evidence.[/quote]
I'm sorry, but a bit more nothing is still nothing. There is no evidence for dream ponies and your faith-statements are not negotiable currency here in the real world, Rhythm.
[quote]Again, that any of these things themselves can be shown to exist makes it a less than fantastic claim, but again to be technical, as I've already mentioned, one would have to side with "didn't happen". [/quote]
Footprints, eh? Whatever. When you get a shred of evidence for the beast, say something. As of now, you are taking a lot of words to say nothing.
[quote]That's not exactly how human beings operate on a day to day basis with the mundane is it. [/quote]
Nope. But humans are known to be crazy, so who cares what they say? That's why we got science in the first place and given endless babble from crazy people or real evidence, I'm forced to side with the real. You can keep the unreal if it suits you. Just don't expect to be taken seriously as any kind of rational being.
[quote]The sorts of reasoning that we use for personal interaction have been shown to be inadequate with regards to claims of knowledge, specifically scientific knowledge. [/quote]
The only knowledge that can be claimed is that for which evidence exists. The rest is sound and fury, and I'm guessing even you know what that signifies.
[quote]I hope you don't feel that any of this is earth shattering for anyone involved.[/quote]
Hell no. It takes more than a little bit of logic and evidence to shake folks outta their faith, Rhythm. Surely you can vouch for that.
[quote]Your claim to absolute certainty is btw much more difficult to substantiate than some like, oh, IDK, materialism.[/quote]
No it isn't. There isn't a shred of evidence for my dream pony, and neither me nor anyone else can do anything about it. What's so hard to substantiate about that?
