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Soul - your views on it?
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RE: Soul - your views on it?
(September 5, 2011 at 2:44 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Hi WC. I'm not really arguing a POV, but reflecting it. Albeit badly Tongue
Everything comes from God.
I'm willing to accept that for sake for argument. Okay.


Quote:God put spirit in us. It is the same as God's spirit.
1. How? Did he split himself or create it from nothing?
2. If its the same entity/material as God what is the distinction?
3. Why did god think it clever to make me so weak that all I [we] can do with it is cling to existence? Why can't I [we] do simple things with it, not tremendous tasks (i.e create a universe) but heal sicknesses with "my [our] spirit"? Why was I given so much just created to be so powerless? This is even the case in other fictional works like LoTR for example. Are we the subject of some divine prank? An artist who deliberately draws derpy characters for his own amusement?
4. If man's spirit was created, whereas god's always existed before space-time, begotten not created or whatever, why do so many Christians argue its indestructible as well? Logically, they [we're] were created and therefore can be destroyed just as easily right?


Quote:I think only humans have spirits.
What is the difference between a man's spirit and/or soul and god's spirit and/or soul? Soul or spirit, I need to know your definitions because otherwise they're both overused meaningless terms.

Quote:God could have done anything.
Now I'm more perplexed than before. >.< Just what is your position in this debate Frodo? Maybe I'm not understanding you, or you're not clarifying your argument concisely for me?

Are you arguing that this god concept could have done it all naturally? You do realise the obvious implication of stating this? It concludes there are no souls, only God is truly "real". Its not quite a 'slippery slope' but you have to admit its basically you conceding and thus killing the discussion before its started.


Quote:If we all have a spirit that is like God, that doesn't make us God. We are separate persons.
Yes but then we're in danger of going down the 'we're living-manifestations of this deity's schizophrenia' route again by asserting this. You haven't established the difference between god's spirits' ontology and a humans' immaterial essence or whatever. That's the stumbling block of theodicy, it can't discern god's spirit [matter] from anyone's else's, including Satan's.

It also raises problematic issues on the matter in that if we're all god, and he judges us (him) then he is essentially condemning himself to hell which would cause a lot of controversy among your peers. Its like arguing that god was a mindless entity before time that at some point or other "gained sentience", and he fathoms he is all that is "real" in the abyss that surrounds him, everything else is merely his imagination. He's utterly alone in a void therefore now is on the verge of going completely insane.

If the writers of the Bible weren't asshats they could have played up god to be the most tragic and lonely figure of all time, one worthy of empathy and sympathy, as opposed to the uppish monstrous tyrant that was the canonical end-product we got stuck with.
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Soul - your views on it? - by Diamond-Deist - September 3, 2011 at 4:29 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Rhage - September 3, 2011 at 4:32 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by reverendjeremiah - September 3, 2011 at 4:33 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by searchingforanswers - September 3, 2011 at 4:34 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Violet - September 3, 2011 at 5:16 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by frankiej - September 3, 2011 at 6:03 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by reverendjeremiah - September 3, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Santewi - September 3, 2011 at 4:53 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Ace Otana - September 3, 2011 at 4:57 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by frankiej - September 3, 2011 at 4:58 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fintube61 - September 3, 2011 at 5:07 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by frankiej - September 3, 2011 at 5:09 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Violet - September 3, 2011 at 5:11 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by frankiej - September 3, 2011 at 5:13 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by frankiej - September 3, 2011 at 5:17 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Violet - September 3, 2011 at 5:28 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Minimalist - September 3, 2011 at 5:22 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by frankiej - September 3, 2011 at 5:23 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by searchingforanswers - September 3, 2011 at 5:36 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by The Grand Nudger - September 3, 2011 at 5:41 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Violet - September 3, 2011 at 5:54 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by padraic - September 3, 2011 at 6:05 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Minimalist - September 3, 2011 at 7:17 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by MilesTailsPrower - September 3, 2011 at 6:21 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by 8BitAtheist - September 3, 2011 at 7:33 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Diamond-Deist - September 4, 2011 at 12:45 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Shell B - September 4, 2011 at 3:02 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Diamond-Deist - September 4, 2011 at 5:25 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Violet - September 4, 2011 at 1:15 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by padraic - September 4, 2011 at 1:20 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Erinome - September 4, 2011 at 4:13 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2011 at 6:28 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Justtristo - September 4, 2011 at 10:35 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Diamond-Deist - September 4, 2011 at 11:00 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Welsh cake - September 4, 2011 at 10:45 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2011 at 11:45 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by downbeatplumb - September 4, 2011 at 1:43 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Kayenneh - September 4, 2011 at 11:46 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2011 at 12:00 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2011 at 2:56 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by downbeatplumb - September 4, 2011 at 4:07 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by bozo - September 4, 2011 at 4:13 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2011 at 6:07 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Diamond-Deist - September 4, 2011 at 6:14 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Welsh cake - September 4, 2011 at 6:21 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2011 at 6:27 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Diamond-Deist - September 4, 2011 at 7:44 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by MilesTailsPrower - September 4, 2011 at 6:36 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Ace Otana - September 4, 2011 at 6:41 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2011 at 6:47 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Ace Otana - September 4, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2011 at 6:54 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Ace Otana - September 4, 2011 at 6:57 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2011 at 6:58 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Ace Otana - September 4, 2011 at 7:00 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2011 at 7:03 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Ace Otana - September 4, 2011 at 7:05 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by MilesTailsPrower - September 4, 2011 at 7:10 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 5, 2011 at 3:24 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Diamond-Deist - September 5, 2011 at 5:19 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by 5thHorseman - September 5, 2011 at 4:31 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Darwinian - September 5, 2011 at 7:03 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 5, 2011 at 7:59 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Diamond-Deist - September 5, 2011 at 10:42 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2011 at 8:42 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2011 at 11:03 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Welsh cake - September 5, 2011 at 2:03 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 5, 2011 at 2:44 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Diamond-Deist - September 5, 2011 at 2:49 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Welsh cake - September 8, 2011 at 2:51 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 8, 2011 at 3:56 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Autumnlicious - September 8, 2011 at 3:05 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Welsh cake - September 8, 2011 at 9:53 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 8, 2011 at 3:36 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by ThomM - September 8, 2011 at 5:15 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Welsh cake - September 8, 2011 at 6:09 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 8, 2011 at 8:52 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Welsh cake - September 9, 2011 at 5:38 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 9, 2011 at 9:04 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Welsh cake - September 10, 2011 at 12:50 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 10, 2011 at 5:50 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by The Grand Nudger - September 10, 2011 at 9:28 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Welsh cake - September 10, 2011 at 11:15 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by The Grand Nudger - September 10, 2011 at 12:14 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by The Magic Pudding - September 10, 2011 at 12:54 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Welsh cake - September 10, 2011 at 1:16 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by The Magic Pudding - September 10, 2011 at 1:27 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 11, 2011 at 10:24 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Epimethean - September 11, 2011 at 11:01 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by The Grand Nudger - September 11, 2011 at 8:35 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Epimethean - September 11, 2011 at 8:38 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 12, 2011 at 7:47 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Welsh cake - September 12, 2011 at 9:33 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Welsh cake - September 16, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Re: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 16, 2011 at 5:19 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by The Grand Nudger - September 16, 2011 at 7:17 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by toole - September 16, 2011 at 8:43 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Epimethean - September 17, 2011 at 8:27 am
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by Welsh cake - September 17, 2011 at 1:41 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by fr0d0 - September 17, 2011 at 1:53 pm
RE: Soul - your views on it? - by BloodyHeretic - September 17, 2011 at 2:45 pm

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