Most humans aren't too logical when it comes to world views and how to go about it.

[Mystic]

Most Humans are not too bright when it comes to how to approach philosophy and religion.

Most humans will choose and be hasty in their choice, and jump to conclusions even when not have enough knowledge.


This includes Muslims. This includes Shiites. This includes all sects of all religions. And this includes Christians, Jews, and yes, even Atheists.

Atheism is not some sort of display label that makes your approach to this issue all of sudden the logical out come.

It's a stance that may or may not be rational for the person taking it.

That is a person may be justified to say well I don't know any proof for God so I don't believe in her/it/him. 

A person on the other hand, maybe blamable if they aren't sincerely reflecting over the proofs offered for God especially in his holy books.

At any rate, how much time we invest in study of religion over other things in life is not a matter of reason per se.

It's a matter of love. We set our priorities according to what we deem most important, which is another word for what we value more, and that is another word for love.

Somethings we may not love but our priority out of necessity sure.  But other things formed in our list order of priorities is due to how much we love.



How to recognize that which ought to be valued most? Again, if we already hate it, it's going to be least in our priority to prove it. We might even become hostile to the truth when proven.


Rationally, a lover of God is searching to know it.   Even as an Atheist, one can long for God and search to know it.

The trial is not about how intelligent we are in the sense of logical quickness, it's rather how wise we are as in how morally smart we are, how wise we are for the betterment of our souls, and that is the intelligence which as armies of light and armies of darkness to oppose it.



Not everyone who claims to know God actually knows him, true.

Most preachers mix enough poison in the water, and religion over all in it's current state is evil, true.



I am a worthless person compared to most people, who do productive things to help others and society, true.  I don't talk coherently or clearly true.

I am over-preachy, true.

I am more stupid then intelligent true.

But you should know all my efforts here to bring you to God, is because I believe the pathway to God is the most valuable gift to creation.

I love the family of the reminders, mainly, because they reminded of God and lived their lives to spread the gift of knowing him and loving him and tasting him.


God is the best reward,  and I love Mohammad, the Hashimi, Arab, the Qurayshi, because I believe he strove with every breath, to make God known to humanity and to recognize his religion and rope.

I love the rope not for the sake of rope, although, that would be a good love too, but for the sake of connecting us to the one beyond us all but yet the best possible goal.


If I believe there was another path to God then love of Ali and his successors, if there was alternate help then the help of Fatima and the leaders from her offspring, if there was another authority to obey then God and his Messenger Mohammad, I would held it with equal esteem.

But the past guides, they pass their authority to the future guides, and Mohammad being the final Messenger, acknowledged that he does ask a reward then, and it's love of his family.

I may seem dogmatic, but the name of God always has a designation.

It's about the name of God reality, not the particular place, not the Arabi hashimi aspect, not the Desert place aspect, not anything else, when I love Ali,  it's not due my culture, but due to him transcending my culture and being a universal tiding and word of God that brings together all things, and collects the glory and beauty and blessings in all things.


If my way is wrong,  your quick mockery remarks, will not show it to be wrong.

If you wish to show me that I erred, you must understand my path, and show where I erred.


It's not good enough to assert that I am doing wishful thinking. All my wishes and desires is in fact, to abandon Islam, and it's been like that for a while, because I would rather embrace a hedonistic style of life and enjoy and chase pleasures.

The reason I ignore those desires is because of insight of the true higher beauty and the path which forbids letting chaotic passions take over your heart and destroy your inner world, I hold on to Islam despite dark desires to abandon it being overwhelming, and sins being easy to do where I live.



At any rate, this thread wasn't about proving God or my path, just a comment, that irrationality is found everywhere including Atheists, and people of my creed as well. But that if you wish to assert that I am being irrational, you have to show where I erred and it's not good enough to comment on other religious people and their difference, nor their gullibility nor the fact most humans don't give a damn about insights and proofs to believe in things attributed to God or reality.


If anyone wishes to amplify the role of discussions on these forums and bring it to a higher level, let me know.

[onlinebiker]

Logic says that any God you might think up is unlikely.

Of the two - which is more likely?


1. The universe is, what it is. No magic was employed in its beginnings.

2. The universe was created by an unseen, undetectable being - who's beginnings are unknown and unknowable - and he/she/it used magic to do so.


Those are the only options.

[brewer]

Why should we indulge you and re enforce your delusional behavior???

There is absolutely no point and it's not good for you. I'm sure that your psychiatrist would agree.

[Mystic]

Logic says that any God you might think up is unlikely.

Of the two - which is more likely?


1. The universe is, what it is. No magic was employed in its beginnings.

2. The universe was created by an unseen, undetectable being - who's beginnings are unknown and unknowable - and he/she/it used magic to do so.


Those are the only options.

I rarely if any time did a thread with the cosmological argument.

It's irrelevant to me, and not part of my reasoning on my path.

[no one]

You forgot option 3

C. The universe was created by an unseen, undetectable being - who's beginnings are unknown and unknowable, except for those that think like me. As so deemed by muh huly buuk. Because we are the mostest specialist of the special.

[onlinebiker]

Logic says that any God you might think up is unlikely.

Of the two - which is more likely?


1. The universe is, what it is. No magic was employed in its beginnings.

2. The universe was created by an unseen, undetectable being - who's beginnings are unknown and unknowable - and he/she/it used magic to do so.


Those are the only options.

I rarely if any time did a thread with the cosmological argument.

It's irrelevant to me, and not part of my reasoning on my path.

It' s always best to analyze a story from it' s beginnings.

If it starts off as bullshit, that' s likely going to be the theme of the rest of the story.

[Mystic]

I rarely if any time did a thread with the cosmological argument.

It's irrelevant to me, and not part of my reasoning on my path.

It' s always best to analyze a story from it' s beginnings.

If it starts off as bullshit, that' s likely going to be the theme of the rest of the story.

I disagree, I made threads discussing why approach should be more dynamic, and even talked about a working back word approach, and why rationally although counter-intuitive, it may possibly be the best and if God exists and religion from him exists, definitely is the best approach.

[Deesse23]

Where do you get all this nonsensical bullshit from? Seriously, where you you get such bullshit from?

I have read the past few posts/threads of yours and boy.....im not gonna comment in detail about your nonsense, because......where would i even start? You are stuck so deep in delusion, i seriously feel sorry for you. You are wasting your one and only life with bullshit, nonsensical bullshit.

[no one]

The shit of bulls makes great fertilizer for the fertile grounds of imaginary friendland.

[The Grand Nudger]

Most Humans are not too bright when it comes to how to approach philosophy and religion.

Most humans will choose and be hasty in their choice, and jump to conclusions even when not have enough knowledge.


This includes Muslims. This includes Shiites. This includes all sects of all religions. And this includes Christians, Jews, and yes, even Atheists.

It clearly includes Mystic Knights.