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Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
(September 8, 2011 at 6:00 am)Justtristo Wrote: This how "informed" YEC'ers would reply to that, this link is from Creation Ministries International.

http://creation.com/genesis-contradictions

This is actually only one of a couple different common explanations, and all of them have serious problems but that never bothers the faithful who are less interested in consistency and more in solace.

Interestingly, the article mentions the verse where Yahweh created the birds out of the ground in chapter 2, glossing over the fact that they were created from the water in chapter 1. For purpose of contrast, I will quote chapter 1 in red and 2 in blue:

Quote:1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air;

But back to the heart of the article, this is what I call the "6th day elaboration" excuse, that chapter 1 was the big picture while chapter 2 were the details of the sixth day. Personally, I think the "pre-Adamite" apology is more interesting, but let that go for now.

1. Yahweh created the birds on day 5 in Gen 1, not day 6.

Quote:1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
...
1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

2. Gen 2 spells out that plants didn't take root because man wasn't around to till the soil, but this wasn't a problem on day 3 in Gen 1 (when the freaking sun hadn't been invented yet).

Quote:2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

3. Gen 1 spells out that man and woman were created "together" and yet Gen 2 spells out that the creation of woman came later, only once the problem of companionship for man couldn't be solved otherwise.

Quote:1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

(And so we go deeper into the rabbit hole where apologists pull out more flimsy rationalizations in an ever increasingly long list of ad hoc hypotheses to assure us that there are no contradictions in the Lord's Word, that it only "seems" that way to those hard hearted scoffers blah blah blah. I've been down this road many times.)
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by DeistPaladin - September 8, 2011 at 8:48 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Sam - September 10, 2011 at 7:47 pm
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Ryft - September 16, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Ryft - September 18, 2011 at 12:19 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Sam - September 27, 2011 at 9:57 am

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