Soul - your views on it?

[Welsh cake]

From nothing

When?

Same substance, different person, like you and I

He made us his equals? But we're subject to time and space, bound to the laws of physics, you assert god is inside and outside space-time do you not? We're not gods correct? God can destroy us if he wanted yes?

You are limited by your inhibitions. If you had the faith the size of a mustard seed, you could move a mountain.

You know frodo, there was a time when I used to believe just that and couldn't figure out for the life of me why I was failing time and time again to do the *simplest* of tasks. I've the hindsight to know now why faith, unlike knowledge, fails utterly is because, its believing in whatever you want to without a good reason to.

'We' (our spirits) are immoratal. Time> just not >Time>

Sorry? So you're saying souls can die if given enough time?

They're the same, only different persons. God gets to have three persons... father and son as well as spirit.

Okay why then is god exerting his authority over us if we're equals? And why is my spirit only one (if not corrupted, tainted or damaged as some theists buy into) when god has three? Why can't I have four? What about Dual brain theory and other studies that show interesting brain conditions where one side of a person can identify themselves as an atheist, and the other a theist?

Well God did it this way... he could have done it any way he wanted. You ask why he did it this way.. he did and that's that. It's too massive a subject to try to re-organise a universe and come up with a working model. I don't really care for that.. I'm happy to work with what we've got. I can't see how it could be better myself... sure we have pain and sufferring... but how do you propose a working system without those things? I can't see how.

With the current demonstrable universe we've already got? @_@ Because there's no proof at all of the existence of souls, ghosts, demons or other supernatural entities whatsoever?

Well God makes the laws of physics... so natural is what he decides it is. If you think that the laws of nature follow logic... then they could be no different could they?? That's what I mean by the complexity of designing it any other way.
Natural doesn't rule out souls, because we're not talking supernatural yet.

Well this is something beyond our expertise because its ultimately, or at least currently, unknowable. What are the square-bounds of "natural" exactly? Until we know its limits, 'supernatural' is a meaningless term. Its like me saying: Supernatural doesn't rule out souls, because we're not talking "hypernatural" yet...

Yeah, "hypernatural > supernatural", I went there. ^_^

I think you ignored the person bit. Are we schitsophrenic humans because we're subdivided into persons?

Actually I was talking about god splitting himself up, as some theists believe this, since you acknowledged you do not, I see no reason to address this point any further.

We decide the fate of our spirit.

Cool. Okay, let's say your god is real for sake of argument. I died and put that statement to the test. So I finally met the big bad God (for the first time). What could I say? Let's see, for starters: I hate this place, this prison, this reality and I can't stand it any longer. I don't like your creation at all. I don't like the fact you're setting down on the table the choices I can and cannot make, thereby hindering, no suffocating my freewill. You've been manipulating my life from the day I was born; you dragged me into existence so I could experience this whole arbitrary good vs. evil nonsense; not to mention predestining the choices I made and didn't make throughout my entire life which has lead me up to this conversation we're having now.

I want out. Yep. I wish no ill will on you, or your idiot followers. I'm leaving your "Seahaven". There's probably nothing out there for me, just an infinite abyss. Its absolute zero out there, so I'll probably cease to exist, maybe pass into oblivion, but it sure beats staying in the slum area of "Seahaven" aka Hell for eternity; and for the first time ever - I've actually made my own choice.

Well, Good morning! And in case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening, and good night!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBu9l_EKWVs

But of course not! Your god concept doesn't want my liberation or anyone else's, Hell no!
Does he want to send me and other people who reject him to hell instead? Hell yes!

A defiant spirit carries on until eventually it accepts the unavoidable truth, and becomes like God too.

My response above says no. I don't worship anyone, especially not the Biblical god. I'd rather die than be forced under his subjugation. I am a man, not a sheep. I belong to no one.

Well there you go re-inventing the perfect model, and making it break.

Yeah I forgot, Christians actually like their dickhead god concept, as crazy as that sounds. You can have him.


Edit: LOL - Bible adverts came up on the YouTube video I put up >:C