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Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
civil, it becomes difficult on here sometimes though.

I think it is part of man’s fallen nature to disagree with God’s commandments and laws,

IT is your opinion that the laws of your religion are from a god- however - the ONLY source that can be proven is that they were all created by Humans

Have you any children or have seen any babies or infants?
Infants and children are not born of reason and responsibility for their actions - and take a while to achieve that mental capacity. The catholic church says that the age of reason and responsibility is age SEVEN - and while I find it utlerly ridiculous that a 7 years old could do something that would deserve the death penalty - I will go with that number.

Today -approximately 23% of the population on earth is under age 7 - and the percentage would have been higher in ancient times because people did not live as long. In In 2348 BC or there about - it is estimated that approximately 5 million people lived on earth. That means that over a million of them were children and infants who could not have done anything to deserve a death penalty and were innocents.

So - the great flood would have resulted in the mass murder of over a million innocent children and infants - the largest mass murder as a percentage of the population in history of the world. THe passover - if it had happened would also have killed quite a number of children and infants as well.

THERE is no way to rationalize this any other way - the children were innocent and were murdered in the story - YOU cannot say that a god would KNOW what they would grow to be without admitting that free will does not exist. IF the only thing YOU can do is what at god supposedly already knows - then free will does not exist - because free will is NOT that choices exist - but that YOU can freely choose among them - even choose something the god would NOT know. ANd that means a claim of an all knowing god - and free will - cannot BOTH be true as well.

I do not consider histories worst mass murderer as a viable or acceptable source for laws on morals and ethics - that YOU do - and will bow down to a mass murderer and worship it - is only a reflection on YOU
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by ThomM - September 8, 2011 at 7:19 pm
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Sam - September 10, 2011 at 7:47 pm
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Ryft - September 16, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Ryft - September 18, 2011 at 12:19 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Sam - September 27, 2011 at 9:57 am

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