Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.

[Statler Waldorf]

Same, but things can get pretty heated quite quickly can't they. I know we've had a bumpy road, but I'm sure we can still level it out.

I think things will be better from now on; I have a few friends on here that I get along with fine.

Ok. What I want to know now is, what were those sins you committed and what parts didn't make sense to you? Were there parts you just couldn't find reason for or agreed with?
I've always saw fairness and the like from basic ideals.

I think they are the same sins most people struggle with, pride, dishonesty, sexual impurity- things of that nature. Nothing super interesting I assure you:-P

Well a lot of the issues about free will and the sovereignty of God didn’t make sense to me until I became a Reformed Christian, then they were resolved because it is a more internally consistent version of Christianity (more based on scripture itself as well). Some of the laws under the Mosaic Covenant seem a bit strange, but I think that is probably because I live in the New Covenant in the 21st century so Jewish purity laws are not going to make a great deal of sense to me.

So my question to you is pretty simple, what would it take for you to convert to Christianity?

You feel that god has graciously redeemed you? You are one of the elected? I wasn't aware that any man knew who the elected were, or upon what basis they were chosen.

You guys are masters at taking a biblical teaching and twisting it ever so slightly to try and make a point. It reminds me of when I was teaching, the students were great at taking rules from the student handbook and just perverting them ever so slightly to try and justify their position. Scripture is clear that I am unable to be absolutely sure as to who are the elect and who are not, although we are told we can know them by their fruit, so it is fairly easy to tell who is definitely not saved as of yet. As for myself, I know I am one of the elect because my faith in Christ’s work on the cross would be impossible if I were not.

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civil, it becomes difficult on here sometimes though.

I think it is part of man’s fallen nature to disagree with God’s commandments and laws,

IT is your opinion that the laws of your religion are from a god- however - the ONLY source that can be proven is that they were all created by Humans

Have you any children or have seen any babies or infants?
Infants and children are not born of reason and responsibility for their actions - and take a while to achieve that mental capacity. The catholic church says that the age of reason and responsibility is age SEVEN - and while I find it utlerly ridiculous that a 7 years old could do something that would deserve the death penalty - I will go with that number.

Today -approximately 23% of the population on earth is under age 7 - and the percentage would have been higher in ancient times because people did not live as long. In In 2348 BC or there about - it is estimated that approximately 5 million people lived on earth. That means that over a million of them were children and infants who could not have done anything to deserve a death penalty and were innocents.

So - the great flood would have resulted in the mass murder of over a million innocent children and infants - the largest mass murder as a percentage of the population in history of the world. THe passover - if it had happened would also have killed quite a number of children and infants as well.

THERE is no way to rationalize this any other way - the children were innocent and were murdered in the story - YOU cannot say that a god would KNOW what they would grow to be without admitting that free will does not exist. IF the only thing YOU can do is what at god supposedly already knows - then free will does not exist - because free will is NOT that choices exist - but that YOU can freely choose among them - even choose something the god would NOT know. ANd that means a claim of an all knowing god - and free will - cannot BOTH be true as well.

I do not consider histories worst mass murderer as a viable or acceptable source for laws on morals and ethics - that YOU do - and will bow down to a mass murderer and worship it - is only a reflection on YOU

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Why would you take a teaching that is purely a Roman Catholic teaching (that children are innocent in God’s eyes until the age of seven) and try and use that to make a point against a Reformed Christian? I base my theology solely on scripture, and scripture never teaches that children are innocent, and states that God was just in sending the great flood. So if you want to bring charge against God, I suggest you use scripture to do so and not the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

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Don't believe Statler subscribes to the free will bit Thom (could be wrong). Though he does of course bow down and worship a xenocidal fairy

Now I think you are just trying to be inconsistent lol. You make a point of trying to properly represent my position in the beginning of your post but in the same sentence purposely misrepresent my position. Kudos if that was on purpose because that was funny