RE: How Hopeless Is Voting?
May 29, 2018 at 7:10 pm
(This post was last modified: May 29, 2018 at 7:12 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
@Jor
Do you think the video is saying that the reason why it doesn't work is because it can't work perfectly?
I thought it was more subtle than that. But then, I haven't heard the full video yet and I had it on the background. Academy of Ideas has some good videos though and I thought it was a nice video to put along with the poll.
To be clear I'm not sure if voting is hopeless or not but I'm leaning towards "Not quite but almost."
Choosing between two lesser evils and having the option to choose the lesser evil definitely doesn't mean that voting doesn't work because a lesser evil is better than a greater evil. Indeed, Nirvana Fallacy, also known as the Perfect Solution Fallacy. However, I believe the video was also getting at a little more than that. The fact that elections aren't fair and the fact that even when we get the best option, despite being a better option, it won't make much difference in the end because even though one option is less shit than the other they're both shit. I think the general idea is that politics in general is rather hopeless.
But still... if it's a choice between Hilary and Trump then Hilary isn't just a better choice she's a much better choice.
I think the video is getting at something deeper than that though as it seems to be saying that in the long run it'll just be lots of different politicians shuffled around, some better than others, and at the end of the day it's all rather crappy and rigged.
Still though... a lot of life is like that. And just because at the end of it all it doesn't mean much doesn't mean that every step of the way isn't important.
I'm leaning towards "Not completely hopeless just pretty damn bleak."
If the mission of the video is to point out how bleak it all is I think it isn't incorrect but if the mission of the video is to suggest that a lesser evil isn't really a lesser evil, even in the short term or medium term, then I think it is incorrect.
Do you think the video is saying that the reason why it doesn't work is because it can't work perfectly?
I thought it was more subtle than that. But then, I haven't heard the full video yet and I had it on the background. Academy of Ideas has some good videos though and I thought it was a nice video to put along with the poll.
To be clear I'm not sure if voting is hopeless or not but I'm leaning towards "Not quite but almost."
Choosing between two lesser evils and having the option to choose the lesser evil definitely doesn't mean that voting doesn't work because a lesser evil is better than a greater evil. Indeed, Nirvana Fallacy, also known as the Perfect Solution Fallacy. However, I believe the video was also getting at a little more than that. The fact that elections aren't fair and the fact that even when we get the best option, despite being a better option, it won't make much difference in the end because even though one option is less shit than the other they're both shit. I think the general idea is that politics in general is rather hopeless.
But still... if it's a choice between Hilary and Trump then Hilary isn't just a better choice she's a much better choice.
I think the video is getting at something deeper than that though as it seems to be saying that in the long run it'll just be lots of different politicians shuffled around, some better than others, and at the end of the day it's all rather crappy and rigged.
Still though... a lot of life is like that. And just because at the end of it all it doesn't mean much doesn't mean that every step of the way isn't important.
I'm leaning towards "Not completely hopeless just pretty damn bleak."
If the mission of the video is to point out how bleak it all is I think it isn't incorrect but if the mission of the video is to suggest that a lesser evil isn't really a lesser evil, even in the short term or medium term, then I think it is incorrect.
