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A question regarding proof
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RE: A question regarding proof
(September 9, 2011 at 12:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I absolutely did address it. The only place we can point to by observation is the brain.

This is where we should clarify some terms. I will concede that we can observe various chemical and electrical activities within the brain that correlate to speech, memories etc My problem is when it comes to "thought" or what is the primary within the brain so to speak. If we think of the brain as a bunch of electro-chemical reactions giving rise to "thought" we have to concede that our thinking is purely illusory with no real freewill. chemicals and electrical impulses can only react physically from the previous reaction, so all freewill and thinking becomes purely an illusory function of survival. The other otion is that "thought" is the controlling reality that effects the electro-chemical constituents in the brain causing the physical mental phenomena observed, this would explain the correlation between brain activity and observed speech, memory etc. The problem is that we have no way of distinguishing between thought and electro-chemical activity. Bernard d'Espagnat talks of a "veiled reality" we never will be able to access this reality because we function within our limited aspect of the total reality.

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A question regarding proof - by Fred - September 7, 2011 at 6:10 pm
RE: A question regarding proof - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 6:32 pm
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