Soul - your views on it?

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You were born with it. Where, in my belief system, do you get that it was created from nothing?

From You. You told me god creates from nothing since he doesn't need to divide up his own consciousness.

We aren't talking about anything. Just faith in God.

Then I have none.

But to answer your secular questions...
Do people with more faith in themselves have and measure of success greater than those who have no faith in their abilities?
Are people who have faith in others misguided always?

I don't know, I can't speak for other people, and I wouldn't say this was secular. I have no faith in anything. If I live, I live. If I die, I die. This applies to everything in my life. It's that simple.

You have a soul. it's part of you.

So you claim, but you haven't been able to provide a positive ontology for it yet.

You couldn't remove it. No one lacks it.

Can I lose, damage or destroy it then? Or have it taken via theft? Can I at least sell the worthless non-thing on ebay?

Again.. God doesn't need you

That's all I needed to know. He won't care then if I try to leave his "Seahaven" creation or prevent me leaving.

Live contrary to the laws of nature and you suffer the consequences immediately.

That's why, if we say hypothetically speaking, god's existence becomes demonstrable, then I want out of his "Seahaven" creation. If you don't live in his reality the laws don't apply. Consequently I may cease to exist as a result of entering "nothingness" but it's my decision, and is infinitely better than the former where you let someone else make the decisions for you forever, thereby opening yourself to nearly every form of abuse conceivable.

Hell is just reward for what you do. Stop doing it to yourself and you get heaven.

I recall C.S. Lewis once saying that hell is infinitely tiny in contrast to god's infinite vastness because the soul has withdrawn into itself to get away from him. If he's right, it's akin to a small dark room where the door is locked from the inside. According to Lewis, it's eternal because we hold the key and we're chosen it for ourselves. Indeed, faced with your monster god I'd no doubt do the same.

It's probably a "state of hell" as opposed to blissful contentment in eternal darkness because it would be a constant bloody contest between my will and the convicting and wooing of the Holy Spirit, the struggle causes the torment. The suffering stops when god admits defeat and moves on. If this became a reality, as unimaginable as it is, I can only hope I manage to destroy the damn key so this frightful god can't ever lock the door open, then again even that doesn't rule out the possibility he could just break the door down, lock or no lock. I hate that uncertainty.

Do you conflate those with natural 'disasters': the earth doing what it does and people getting caught up in that? Peoples afflictions that are also nature running it's course?

Yes, its simple cause and effect. However discovering that an omniscient god created everything and knew only too well about reality's inevitable shortcomings but willed it anyway to fulfil some master bullshit plan makes me vehemently opposed to existence and its apparent creation. I can't conflate or relate to it any longer.

All I see is you putting up two fingers. I don't see how that helps anything. Maybe the release of anger helps you. Someone to blame. Sure.... why not. God wants to heal you... isn't that more productive?

In response to life being a bitch, yeah pretty much (were it a complete bitch we'd all be dead). And if god's real yet supposedly cares (I reject that premise btw) then he's doing a remarkably almighty poor job of showing it. I've never seen any instance where a cosmic entity has a single ounce of compassion for me, let alone the entire human race.

In your theology God demands obedience, readiness and love. I can't give these. I don't love your god because he's fictional, I can detest his actions in the collection of writings, but its not the same thing. If proven real, I wouldn't love your god because I utterly hate and abhor his contemptuous character. But I don't want to live/exist in that hatred constantly, that's why I have to try and leave his "Seaheaven" for the void outside so I can forget his nightmare and reflect upon the tranquillity of the abyss.