Soul - your views on it?

[fr0d0]

You were born with it. Where, in my belief system, do you get that it was created from nothing?

From You. You told me god creates from nothing since he doesn't need to divide up his own consciousness.

Sorry, you keep switching contexts. Everything didn't come from something: that's a given.

But to answer your secular questions...
Do people with more faith in themselves have and measure of success greater than those who have no faith in their abilities?
Are people who have faith in others misguided always?

I don't know, I can't speak for other people, and I wouldn't say this was secular. I have no faith in anything. If I live, I live. If I die, I die. This applies to everything in my life. It's that simple.

Well it's nothing to do with religious faith.
I'm the same as you. I can make the same silly statements refusing to address the question.

You have a soul. it's part of you.

So you claim, but you haven't been able to provide a positive ontology for it yet.

I don't claim it. I'm simply relating the belief to you.
I provided a detailed ontology a few posts ago.

You couldn't remove it. No one lacks it.

Can I lose, damage or destroy it then? Or have it taken via theft?

No.

Live contrary to the laws of nature and you suffer the consequences immediately.

That's why, if we say hypothetically speaking, god's existence becomes demonstrable, then I want out of his "Seahaven" creation. If you don't live in his reality the laws don't apply. Consequently I may cease to exist as a result of entering "nothingness" but it's my decision, and is infinitely better than the former where you let someone else make the decisions for you forever, thereby opening yourself to nearly every form of abuse conceivable.

You just want to live without the consequences of the bad stuff you do. You don't believe in the human system of crime and punishment.

You know what though... that is exactly Gods setup. You're forgiven. You get an unlimited get out of jail free card ...and yet YOU STILL COMPLAIN!!! Unbelievable. How far you're willing to go with no argument to back it up.

it would be a constant bloody contest between my will and the convicting and wooing of the Holy Spirit, the struggle causes the torment.

You nailed it.

It would be the same as you refusing food and water. You know it's what your body naturally needs, but you refuse to accept that truth.

Discovering that an omniscient god created everything and knew only too well about reality's inevitable shortcomings but willed it anyway...

Then you can't accept reality by the same token.

In your theology God demands obedience, readiness and love. I can't give these. I don't love your god because he's fictional, I can detest his actions in the collection of writings, but its not the same thing. If proven real, I wouldn't love your god because I utterly hate and abhor his contemptuous character. But I don't want to live/exist in that hatred constantly, that's why I have to try and leave his "Seaheaven" for the void outside so I can forget his nightmare and reflect upon the tranquillity of the abyss.

That doesn't address my belief. It's a creation of yours.

God 'demands obedience' only in that he is the only healthy choice. We have the choice to choose health or harm. Love in return for immeasurable love eminating from hm.