RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 6, 2018 at 4:51 am
(This post was last modified: June 6, 2018 at 4:53 am by CDF47.)
(June 6, 2018 at 4:44 am)pocaracas Wrote:(June 6, 2018 at 4:31 am)CDF47 Wrote: You can't get a universe from nothing, not even a simple universe. This one is super-symmetrical/fine-tuned and definitely designed by a Creator.
From nothing, nothing flows. That much can be considered true.
But space-time is not nothing. Empty space-time is not nothing.
As I said before, science shows that space-time can generate matter and energy... so all you need to show is that a god can exist in the absence of space-time and that god is solely responsible for the creation of that space-time, from which everything else flows naturally.
God would be a truly amazing being as he would only create a simple thing... a thing of beauty that could then sprout our Universe and life and intelligence.... and, who knows, many more Universes!?
But you dumb god down to a measly creator of the Universe, dismissing what science tells us about space-time and using arguments filled with fallacies, not to mention the temporally charged concept of such creation that you consider to be ex-nihilo, but is anything but, given that it presupposes the existence of space-time.
There is a great beauty and simplicity in this universe. It is simple enough for us to get a basic understanding of it. It is complex at the same time and takes our most intelligent people to make new discoveries mathematically,... I believe there is no evidence for a multi-verse and no reason to say aliens exist on other planets. SETI has searched for over half a century for alien communications and they found nothing. I believe the universe is the size it is to show the great glory of God almighty.
There was no empty space in the beginning according to the most widely excepted science. Space curvature was infinite so no space at all. Hence, no matter and no energy. Can't fit matter and energy into no space.
(June 6, 2018 at 4:48 am)robvalue Wrote: Our current scientific models, regarding what happens within this universe, suggest you can't get something "from nothing". But it's mere speculation to extrapolate that beyond the realms of our universe, in my opinion.
Can a universe pop into existence from nothing, for no reason? I don't know, and I don't see how anyone else can either. Maybe it can, maybe it can't. The answer to such a question doesn't need to make sense to us, it doesn't need to conform to our logic, nor to correlate with our local observations of this solitary universe we're subjectively experiencing.
(I'm using "universe" here as shorthand for "some self-contained environment", since it obviously makes no sense to talk about the universe being "all that exists" and then to discuss where it came from, or other potential universes.)
That is just one area where we disagree. Since the universe came from nothing and since it is fine-tuned/super-symmetrical it definitely appears to be designed.
The LORD Exists: http://www.godandscience.org/
Intelligent Design (Short Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU
Intelligent Design (Longer Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzj8iXiVDT8
Intelligent Design (Short Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVkdQhNdzHU
Intelligent Design (Longer Video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzj8iXiVDT8