(June 6, 2018 at 12:29 pm)johan Wrote:(June 6, 2018 at 10:25 am)robvalue Wrote: That's why it's bullcrap to make exceptions for "strongly held beliefs", because they can be literally anything.
That's very true. But when I consider the alternative, I quickly get to a world I don't think I'd like to live in.
First off we're not talking about selling a hammer or a box of laundry detergent here, we're talking about an item that is created by the person selling it. Does that item qualify as art? As a person with my creative outputs I'd rather not answer that personally and I'd rather the government didn't define that either other than to say that it could be art. And also as a person who creates things, I'd rather the government and everyone else stay the hell out of telling me exactly what I'm obligated to create for whom.
If we're talking about selling mass produced products in a store, then I'm absolutely on board. The law ought to insure that if I'm willing to sell a mass produced Iphone to someone, I must be willing to sell that same item to anyone. But when it comes to something I individually create, I'd rather keep legislation out of it if that's at all possible.
This guy creates cakes and decorates them. They are his own personal creations. If he doesn't want to create one for some particular person for some particular reason of his own, he should have that right. If we're talking about mass produced cakes that he orders from a supplier and stocks on his shelves then yes, he should be required to sell them to anyone.
But we're talking about something he creates. And if we really want to drill down into that and put a fine legal point on it, then we must legally define which creations qualify as art and which do not. I personally think the world is a better place when we don't require someone's creative output to tick off certain boxes before can be called art.
I don't get what difference it makes if someone makes things themselves or orders them in; nor it being "art". People shouldn't offer services they aren't prepared to follow through on, in my opinion. If someone asks the guy to do something above and beyond his normal cake(s), then he has no obligation to comply, whether the customer is evil or not.
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