RE: Israeli forces kill medic, wound 100 protesters in Gaza unrest, Palestinian ministry
June 14, 2018 at 1:47 am
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(June 13, 2018 at 11:13 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Whatever the truth about the Balfour agreement, the U.S. was not a party to that agreement, so your previous crap about it is not any kind of support for your claim that Israel is any kind of "tip of the spear" for U.S. interests in the region, least of which for any crazy talk about the U.S. wanting to make the Middle East the latest American bread basket. Maybe if the Ottomans hadn't wanted their country to be carved up like a piece of meat, they shouldn't have thrown in with the likes of Germany. So, despite your bullshit narrative, we see that the Arab situation in the Middle East is as much a result of Arabs fucking themselves in the ass as it has to do with Britain and "the joos."
I was mistaken that the U.S. was not a party to the Balfour declaration. Wilson consented to it in late 1917. I was thinking of the Sykes-Picot agreement. Regardless, the Balfour declaration was primarily a French and British initiative, with the U.S. only consenting to it following pressure from their allies. So the Balfour declaration itself is hardly any evidence of a U.S. led initiative in the region as your "tip of the spear" rhetoric seems to imply.
I may have more to say on the matter another time, but I just had to point out this blatant misrepresentation of sources on your part.
(June 14, 2018 at 1:38 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:(June 13, 2018 at 11:13 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: The Ottoman Empire was rife with anti-semitic nationalism long before the British got there. Why did it choose Palestine? Maybe because it was their ancestral homeland until a bunch of Babylonian fucks evicted them from it. And again, an actual reading of history shows that it wasn't so much any effort of the British that brought the Jews to Israel, but rather European persecution, by, among others, the Nazis. The record shows that the British even attempted to limit Jewish migration to the region.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...man_Empire
Quote:By the time of the Ottoman conquests, Anatolia had been home to centuries old communities of Hellenistic and later Byzantine Jews. The Ottoman Empire became a safe haven for Iberian Jews fleeing persecution, and in its heyday, the city of Thessaloniki had a Jewish majority.
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The first misrepresentation is that events in the 14th and 15th century are an apt description of events in the pre-World War I Ottoman Empire. The second is even more egregious, as one can see from reading further down in the very article that you quote to refute my point.
Quote:Antisemitism
Historian Martin Gilbert writes that it was in the 19th century that the position of Jews worsened in Muslim countries. According to Mark Cohen in The Oxford Handbook of Jewish Studies, most scholars conclude that Arab anti-Semitism in the modern world arose in the nineteenth century, against the backdrop of conflicting Jewish and Arab nationalism, and was imported into the Arab world primarily by nationalistically minded Christian Arabs (and only subsequently was it "Islamized").
There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828. There was a massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867.
In 1865, when the equality of all subjects of the Ottoman Empire was proclaimed, Cevdet Pasha, a high-ranking official observed: "whereas in former times, in the Ottoman State, the communities were ranked, with the Muslims first, then the Greeks, then the Armenians, then the Jews, now all of them were put on the same level. Some Greeks objected to this, saying: 'The government has put us together with the Jews. We were content with the supremacy of Islam.'"
Throughout the 1860s, the Jews of Libya were subjected to what Gilbert calls punitive taxation. In 1864, around 500 Jews were killed in Marrakech and Fezin Morocco. In 1869, 18 Jews were killed in Tunis, and an Arab mob looted Jewish homes and stores, and burned synagogues, on Jerba Island. In 1875, 20 Jews were killed by a mob in Demnat, Morocco; elsewhere in Morocco, Jews were attacked and killed in the streets in broad daylight. In 1891, the leading Muslims in Jerusalem asked the Ottoman authorities in Constantinople to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia. In 1897, synagogues were ransacked and Jews were murdered in Tripolitania.
Benny Morris writes that one symbol of Jewish degradation was the phenomenon of stone-throwing at Jews by Muslim children. Morris quotes a 19th-century traveler:
"I have seen a little fellow of six years old, with a troop of fat toddlers of only three and four, teaching [them] to throw stones at a Jew, and one little urchin would, with the greatest coolness, waddle up to the man and literally spit upon his Jewish gaberdine. To all this the Jew is obliged to submit; it would be more than his life was worth to offer to strike a Mahommedan."
The overwhelming majority of the Ottoman Jews lived in the European-provinces of the Empire. As the empire lost control over its European provinces in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, these Jewish communities found themselves under Christian rule. The Bosnian Jews for example came under Austro-Hungarian rule after the occupation of the region in 1878, the independence of Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia further lowered the number of Jews within the borders of the Ottoman Empire.
Wikipedia || History of the Jews in the Ottoman Empire