(June 25, 2018 at 3:15 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Generally Kalam supporters try and get out of the regress either through the Ontological argument (which has been beaten to death on this forum ) or trying weasel out by saying only things that "begin to exist " need a cause of course never answer the question accept by assertion or as CD has done by theist new speak why god should be in this category and not simply a meta existence. Also he clearly has not read Hawkings last papers before he died as they present problems for his Kalam narrative .
Yah, if the only thing in the category 'things that don't begin to exist' is God, then it's just another term for God and the premise of the Kalam is just rewording of 'everything needs a cause, except God', and we're back to special pleading.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.