How the black man embraced Christianity

[Angrboda]

I don't see how Christ being against the established priesthood and temple is a problem for the view that the destruction of the temple was not prophetic (either because it was a contemporary event, or one readily foreseeable).  Jesus as an apocalyptic preacher taught ideas that were hostile to the existing priesthood.  That he was anti-establishment seems readily explained by that fact.  I don't see how you feel his anti-establishment views are any kind of a problem for the type of theories in play.

The problem arises when one assumes that the book of mark began in 70ad.. As I pointed out Christ was already a well established anti temple advocate long before the idea that christ's predictions were added after the fact. what I'm saying here is because Christ was an anti temple advocate in other gospels like luke and matt (luke and act contextually being the earliest version written) establishes Christ, held or made this proclamation and was already in place when the temple was destroyed. (even if mark was written later.) As a direct result it swelled the ranks of Christianity permanently separate Christianity from Judaism.

The thing is, Drich, either the relevant passages are specific enough to count as prophecy, in which case they are specific enough to count as evidence for a late dating of them, or the passages aren't specific enough to count as prophecy and a late dating. Christians generally have wanted to hold that the passages are specific enough. Holding that the passages are prophetic and not evidence for a late dating of the Gospel is simply being inconsistent. Either they are prophetic, which they would seem to need to be, unless Jesus is not God, or Jesus was simply talking out of his ass. If you want to adopt the latter position, that's fine, but then I'll have to hold you to the opinion that sometimes Jesus talks out of his ass in other debates and questions regarding him. Are you sure that's a position you want to consistently maintain?