RE: Can God love?
July 9, 2018 at 6:47 am
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2018 at 7:03 am by possibletarian.)
(July 9, 2018 at 12:16 am)Godscreated Wrote: You understand what Steve II has been telling you you just do not want to believe it's true,
That's a bit like me saying you don't want the stories or nature of Superman, Allah, Zeus etc to be true, there is absolutely no good reason to believe that your god exists, or that any attendant theology is true.
Quote:you're afraid.
I thought we had been over this, I'm not afraid of anything there is no good reason to believe is true.
Quote:God's God's holiness and justice are who He is and they must be satisfied
No god's holiness, justice or whatever other attribute's you choose to give him are simply you ascribe to explain why god is exactly the same as no god. With those attributes you don't even have to explain why there is no evidence.. why, well he's simply too holy.
Quote:just as hunger is part of who you are and must be satisfied.
No that's simply stupid,
1) you can demonstrate hunger what happens to the body when you don't eat
2) you can show the person who is hungry in any particular case exists.
In other words it's not a made up nebulous excuse to explain why god is exactly the same as no god
Quote:I explained to you earlier in this thread that God did not sacrifice Jesus, the Son of God volunteered, something He did not have to do, but as per you you've conveniently forgotten so you can continue to disrupt conversation.
Really, i would say i'm engaging in a real way, and without threatening a single person with a gory everlasting death, which i can't prove. If you don't have adequate answer to the questions, simply say that you don't know.
And even if jesus volunteered for a none death (which was the punishment, he was never really going to not live again), then how is that justice. The innocent suffering can never be called justice, that's just plain stupid. And if god can take a none guilty life then he's already broken his own rules of justice. So again if you are going to break your own rules, why not simply forgive.
Quote:By the way if Jesus did not raise from the dead we would have no hope of eternal life, through His resurrection God proved to us that it is possible to be raised from the dead into eternal life.
Hate to break this to you, but there is no good reason to believe any of that is true.
Quote:Christ's death was sufficient to pay the price, it was His sinless life that made Jesus the perfect sacrifice.
It does not meet the requirements the first part of justice even, that the guilty be punished not the innocent. The thing is GC it's not just the detail of your faith that is so silly, it's the whole thing. The thought of the master of the universe( add in many glorious titles here) having to sacrifice anyone or anything because he can't handle someone misbehaving is unbelievable beyond measure.
Quote:The truth is your so childish that you can't learn from conversations with Christians, what we tell you is truth, but you are not required to accept it as part of your life, unless you want your life to be a pleasant one for eternity.
I've pre-ordered the petrol and matches on amazon.. delivery wont even cost me anything.
Listen GC, you claim to have 'studied' the truth and science and that makes it worse, the fact you claim this then claim a young earth and a flood and other biblical related nonsense makes me really fear for you, please get some help before it's too late and you waste your whole life.
Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent—the Lord detests them both.
Proverbs 17:15
(July 9, 2018 at 12:16 am)Godscreated Wrote: So I guess by your own personal definition you were indoctrinated into science.
sciences ask for proof and evidence, faith does not.
Quote:For this conversation yes, the document of truth.
I think we've been over this, you just don't want to believe, there is no good reason to believe it's true
Quote:I have all the evidence I need and I guess you'll wait till the time of judgement to have yours. There's no evidence of dark matter or black holes yet the gullible believe there is.
Oh my goodness I can't believe that anyone who says they have any scientific knowledge at all would talk so stupidly.
'Dark Matter' is place holder name given to a phenomenon the effects of which we absolutely observe in our universe, unlike your god.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
'Black Holes' are not really black again they come from observation, again unlike your god.
https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/fo...lack-holes
they are both terms that describe in shorthand a phenomenon we can observe, to say they don't have evidence is the stupidest thing i have heard so far on this forum.
Quote:There is no again it is real. Then sanity has eluded you. Many stories have been told in the Bible, they all happen to be real, go figure. Just as the indoctrinated inot science believes in dark matter and black holes with no evidence.
And again.
Quote:Method, did not need one got my information straight from the One who made the place and who will hold court over all non-believers. What question all you can say this round is indoctrination, indoctrination, indoctrination. Such limited though you are displaying.
If limited though means don't believe stories indistinguishable from fairy tales then yes i have limited thought
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'