RE: Extremists: a question and a talk
July 9, 2018 at 11:45 am
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2018 at 11:53 am by Angrboda.)
(July 8, 2018 at 5:30 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:(July 7, 2018 at 9:58 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Yeah, like I said, you're full of shit. You cherry pick the verses which favor peace, but the Quran can be read in other ways that are just as legitimate as yours. The only reason you think your ways are the right ones is because you're too blind to see.
If you didn't read what I wrote, and didn't even care to see the context of the verse told to you, it is not my problem. If you don't see an intellectual problem with the video you posted, you have a big problem that I can't help you with.
I read what you wrote. The context was examined in great detail in the video. The surahs you brought in reply weren't even relevant to the argument presented in the video, so what in fuck are you even babbling about? If you had watched the video, you'd know why your arguments were irrelevant. I noticed you didn't address specific claims made in the video, you just dismissed them outright and repeated your standard defense. I don't believe you actually watched the video. Either you didn't watch the video, and you're a liar, or you're so incompetent you can't even reply coherently to an argument.
The only intellectual problem I see is yours.
I'll repeat the points for the benefit of the stupid.
(July 7, 2018 at 8:43 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: 1-All the verses that speak about "fighting", speak about "fighting" in the context of war. There was a war against Mohammed -peace be upon him-, and his followers were tortured and killed, so he fought back, with these verses being the command for him to fight back.
No, they do not. Surah 9:29, the verse in question does not. And even those verses you've presented simply give permission to fight defensively, they do not forbid fighting when defense is not an issue, as in 9:29, so your defense doesn't even work. The context of 9:29 was clear. The only person distorting context is you.
(July 7, 2018 at 8:43 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: 2-Fighting in Islam is prohibited unless to deter aggression; ironically the youtuber you quoted ignored the verses coming down below:
No, he did not ignore those verses. He responded explicitly to such claims. No, you're just lying again.