Extremists: a question and a talk

[WinterHold]

My God, Atlas, you've actually found a Muslim apologist whose arguments are worse than yours!  What, am I supposed to be impressed?  This video doesn't answer dick.

Yes it does. It refers to the verse repeated millions of times on these boards:

Mohammed -peace be upon him- was ordered to ambush and fight the polytheists who fought him indeed, but he was also ordered -in the next verse- to spare any polytheist that came in peace:


Mohammed made a treaty with the heathens of Mecca, he also made a treaty with the "Jews and Christians" at Medinah -which the jews broke; I even posted the link for it from wikipedia in the previous comment to you-:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Quray...the_Trench


That's why the Jewish war tribes were fought. I should also mention that they entered an alliance with the heathens of Mecca -Mohammed's arch enemies-:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Trench

 Second, the timeline simply doesn't support you, as it's well known what the circumstances surrounding the revelation of surah 9 were, and it was not related to the battle of the trench.  The battle of the trench occurred in 627.  Mohammad's unsuccessful expedition to Tabuk occurred three years later in 630, and it was around that time that the surah was revealed.  The Tabuk expedition was two years after even the fighting at Kaibar and involved the Byzantines, not the Jews.  You're mushing together entirely separate events in order to try to draw a connection between them, and it simply doesn't work.  Either you're ignorant of these facts and are simply laboring under false information imparted to you by other dishonest Muslim apologists, or you yourself are intentionally misrepresenting events hoping that I like many would not be familiar with the facts.  As a matter of history, Mohammad desired to expel the Christians and Jews from the entire Arabian peninsula.  That, and a need for more income, drove the revelation of surahs 9:28-33.

The reason I hold to this religion so much is my despise for the level of cruelty the modern human reached; being born today doesn't mean that I forgot what happened 80 years ago.

I'm seeing the pattern of a man who broke treaties when a single woman of his people got hurt, also I'm seeing a man who "gave peace to confused enemies" just like Sura 9:6 foretold, that's a one fine pattern, better than tactical bombings, nuclear bombs, generating money out of thin air, right?

and all of that before 1400 years. It wasn't him, it was the orders of God though.

You're a part of the problem, Atlas, not the solution.  This kind of lex talionis justice and blood feuding is a cause, not an answer.  You're just perpetuating it.

I was referring to the man in the video, serpent, not you !
His argument is repeated a lot, since the 80s and the 90s and maybe even older, all of them have one answer: context.

I suspect that you still haven't watched the video, which would make this more lies and bullshit about an argument you haven't bothered to even hear.

Again, you're full of shit to the core.  You're nothing but a second rate liar.

Sura 2, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#a...rans=en_sh

( 256 )   There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.

The whole Quran -whole; not even a single verse- orders Muslims to compulsively convert others to Islam, 1400 years and Egypt -an Islamic dominated country- has a prospurse Christian community mostly richer than the Muslim community by a wide degree, what about Indonisia which entered Islam without an arrow fired, what about Spain that Christian natives remained in until the bloody inquisitions?

But all of these facts matter not to a biased individual who is living an imaginary dream.

Oh bullshit, Atlas.  First of all, the treaty was broken by one tribe of Jews, and didn't involve the Christians at all.

No. I'll repeat my previous post because yours has no relationship with mine:

There were two treaties: one with the tribes of Medinah, and one with the heathens of Mecca.

1-(Medinah Treaty; AKA The Constitution of Medinah -see more details in the link-:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina

I should also point to the amount of sophistication and organizing Islam brought to ancient Arabia. Mohammed -peace be upon him; under the command of God- brought a multi-cultural and multi-religious society to life, ending tribal fighting in the city.

2-(Treaty of Hudaybiyyah , it was a very crucial treaty between Mohammed -peace be upon him- and the heathens of Mecca -see more details in the link-:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hudaybiyyah

Arabian Jews broke number 1. Posted the link to you, along with the incident that involved "assaulting a Muslim woman by the Jewish tribe of Banu Qaynuqa:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Qurayza#cite_note-34

Tensions quickly mounted between the growing numbers of Muslims and Jewish tribes, while Muhammad found himself at war with his native Meccan tribe of the Quraysh. In 624, after his victory over the Meccans in the Battle of Badr, Banu Qaynuqa threatened Muhammad's political position and assaulted a Muslim woman which led to their expulsion from Medina for breaking the peace treaty of Constitution of Medina.[32][33] The Qurayza remained passive during the whole Qaynuqa affair, apparently because the Qaynuqa were historically allied with the Khazraj, while the Qurayza were the allies of the Aws.[34]

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For Christians, the first conflict to ever take place was because a Muslim emissary was killed by a Ghassanid chief, the Byzantines though have another story:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mu%27tah

Which source would you like to believe? it depends on your reason, research and bias.
All of this, and I don't take the dates to be the exact truth.

The battle was said to take place on September, year 629:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mu%27tah

For the timeline, the Surah was revealed in 622 - 632 AD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_su..._the_Quran

The first conflict with christians was at 629.
The first conflict with Jews was in 624

Case closed. The Sura is revelation date extends to 632. You have no case; and you're officially lying or you're officially ignorant.
Yes I didn't watch the video because it's author also has no case, and I have no room for speech without evidence.