(September 14, 2011 at 6:09 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Utter garbage, it’s called Whitehead’s hypothesis, there is a historical consensus that the Christian Reformation directly lead to modern science. The form of Democratic Republic we are so familiar with today was created by John Calvin for church governments in the 16th century. You can believe your own deluded version of history if you’d like, but historians disagree with you.
Pure grade A 100% no preservatives added bull crap.
The Bible makes it clear that peasants should obey their king (Romans 13:1-2) and slaves should obey their masters (numerous passages). No idea who these "historians" are but something tells me they're Christian apologists.
Quote:The same evidence that has convinced the academic community that philosophers such as Aristotle and Socrates ever existed, we have their writings.Plato and Socrates never performed miracles. I hold the disciples and apostles to a higher standard. ECREE.
Quote:The only problem for you is that the New Testament is far better preserved and we have far more manuscripts of it than anything we have written by Aristotle and Socrates. The Book of Acts written by Luke details many of the disciples’ persecution after Jesus’ ascension. Do you also deny that Aristotle and Socrates ever existed or do you only apply your skepticism to concepts you don’t like?
It's not a matter of liking. Mythology is mythology and history is history. To use the Bible as a "historical document" but the Iliad is just a story is special pleading.
I hope one day humans live in a truly rational society where anyone who holds up the Bible and, with a straight face, calls it "historical documentation" is simply and rightfully laughed out of the room.
Quote:The books of Acts and Luke demonstrate this.
Quote:Quote: How about Jesus? Was the stone of his empty tomb rolled away when Mary arrived with her spices?
The women went to see the tomb, but an angel had rolled the stone away from the tomb sometime prior to the women’s arrival at the tomb. The angel was sitting on the stone when the women arrived.
Quote:Matthew 28:1-5 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist