RE: The absolute absurdity of God
August 6, 2018 at 3:41 pm
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2018 at 4:18 pm by Simon Moon.)
(August 6, 2018 at 12:30 pm)SteveII Wrote: I agree, creating the world to be a test is absurd. Unfortunately, your post is one long straw man argument.
Your mythology may not specifically state the the universe was created as a test, but there is no way around that is the end results.
We are put here with only 2 possible outcomes, according to Christian mythology: eternity in Heaven, or eternity in Hell (or eternal separation from Yahweh). And our choices will determine that outcome. And supposedly your god makes the decision on what our fate is by those decisions.
Sorry, but a test by any other name, is still a test.
Quote:There is no way you can construe Christianity as God "created the earth as a test for human beings". You should at least pick something someone actually believes before bashing it in a post that must have taken some time to write.
-Nobody asked for, or agreed to take
Since our purpose if not really a test, the most you can say is that we all have decisions/responses to make given the information we are presented with. That is simply defining being a conscious, morally-culpable person.
-The rules for which aren't made immediately clear
There are rules--you got one right. God will judge you on your response to what has been revealed to you.
Again, if I am being judged by decisions I make, I am being tested. What else would you call it?
And by the way, why would this god create me, with a mind that would not be able to be convinced that he exists, with the evidence and arguments I am given to evaluate the proposition, knowing well in advance of these results, that I am will be condemned to hell?
Quote:-Is rigged against us from the beginning
Free will entails sinning. Sinning entails a need for atonement if you want the max out of life. Don't want the max out of life, don't seek atonement.
Then it's his fault for his "divine hiddenness". How is it my fault for not being gullible enough to fall for fallacious arguments, lack of good evidence?
Quote:-Has the sole purpose of determining an eternal afterlife
The purpose of this life is not a test. It is for maximum enjoyment/fulfillment/experience--which includes recognizing and responding to God.
The test may not be the only purpose, but it is an unavoidable part of the deal. My decisions in life, determine my afterlife. If not a test, what is it?
Let me add, one of Oxford's definitions of the word "test",
An event or situation that reveals the strength or quality of someone or something by putting them under strain.
The "event or situation" in this scenario is life on Earth, what is being revealed is whether I "atone for my sins, accept Jesus as my savior", and the evaluator is Yahweh.
Please explain how our life on earth does not fit this definition of "test"...
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.