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Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 3, 2015 at 4:50 pm
In a different thread, an atheist indicated that absolute truth is a difficult view to give up. He's right.
But it's worse than that: It's impossible to give up absolute truth.
The reason is, in any conceivable universe, operating under any given specification of natural laws, if we reject absolute truth, we reject the ability to say anything meaningful about these possible universes. The very claim "In universe1 there are no absolute truths" is either true or false, and absolutely so. Once you jettison absolute truth, your statements about this possible universe become meaningless.
But the problem goes further than that. If you simply want to reject absolute truths in our world, you demolish the foundations of reason and science, which are irreparably dependent on absolute truth.
Hitting closer to home, the claim "There are no absolute truths" held as a claim cannot be rationally affirmed or denied if it is true.
Thus, atheists cannot escape absolute truths, on any level.
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 3, 2015 at 4:54 pm
meanwhile, back at Justice League headquarters . . .
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 3, 2015 at 4:55 pm
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(October 3, 2015 at 4:50 pm)Delicate Wrote: In a different thread, an atheist indicated that absolute truth is a difficult view to give up. He's right.
But it's worse than that: It's impossible to give up absolute truth.
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You're right - that's because there is no "absolute truth".
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 3, 2015 at 4:55 pm
You make a very pretty word salad.
While I agree superficially that "Atheists cannot escape absolute truths", neither do we peddle them.
I fail to find your point?
I reject your reality and substitute my own!
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 3, 2015 at 5:48 pm
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Define truth.
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 3, 2015 at 5:50 pm
(October 3, 2015 at 4:50 pm)Delicate Wrote: In a different thread, an atheist indicated that absolute truth is a difficult view to give up. He's right.
But it's worse than that: It's impossible to give up absolute truth.
The reason is, in any conceivable universe, operating under any given specification of natural laws, if we reject absolute truth, we reject the ability to say anything meaningful about these possible universes. The very claim "In universe1 there are no absolute truths" is either true or false, and absolutely so. Once you jettison absolute truth, your statements about this possible universe become meaningless.
But the problem goes further than that. If you simply want to reject absolute truths in our world, you demolish the foundations of reason and science, which are irreparably dependent on absolute truth.
Hitting closer to home, the claim "There are no absolute truths" held as a claim cannot be rationally affirmed or denied if it is true.
Thus, atheists cannot escape absolute truths, on any level.
Define absolute truth and name one you can prove to be an absolute truth and we'll talk.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 3, 2015 at 5:55 pm
And the point of that ramble is? That was like telling a joke and leaving off the punchline. I'm with Jenny - give us an example.
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 3, 2015 at 5:56 pm
(October 3, 2015 at 4:55 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (October 3, 2015 at 4:50 pm)Delicate Wrote: In a different thread, an atheist indicated that absolute truth is a difficult view to give up. He's right.
But it's worse than that: It's impossible to give up absolute truth.
[...]
You're right - that's because there is no "absolute truth".
/thread
That's absolutely true.
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 3, 2015 at 6:01 pm
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RE: Why atheism cannot escape absolute truth
October 3, 2015 at 6:27 pm
Actually, this particular atheist isn't really concerned with absolute truth. I'm more concerned with positional, relative and provisional truths. *shrug* Give me moral and practical answers that are good enough to get by on, and I'm a happy fella.
Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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