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Poll: What is your pro-life position?
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Abortion is immoral but not a matter for the legal system
28.57%
2 28.57%
Doctors and/or mothers should be prosecuted for aborting
0%
0 0%
Mothers should also be physically forced to come to term in some circumstances
0%
0 0%
Other
71.43%
5 71.43%
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If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
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RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
(August 6, 2018 at 4:40 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
Quote:The Catholic Church's position on HIV/AIDS prevention has attracted controversy due to its opposition to condom use. In 2010 Pope Benedict XVI said that the use of condoms could sometimes be considered a first step toward moral behavior, but a spokesperson for the church later clarified that the use of condoms was still considered immoral and that the pope had not intended to take a position "on the problem of condoms in general."[1] In relation to the sexual transmission of the disease, the Church teaches that chastity (sexual abstinence before marriage, and monogamy inside marriage), are a better means of limiting the spread of the epidemic than the use of condoms. United Nations bodies have criticised the Church for its stance against condom use, on the basis that condoms are the best available means to prevent infections among sexually active people. UN bodies co-operate closely with the Church on the provision of patient care, and in eliminating infections in children.

Catholic Church and HIV/AIDS

The church has actively opposed the use of contraceptives, leading to an AIDS epidemic in Africa and additional unwanted pregnancies elsewhere. It may be true that if abstinence were a reasonable goal, then unwanted pregnancies would drop. And if wishes were horses, then we'd all ride in style. The fact is that we live in this world, not in that alternate reality which can never be. As long as Catholics continue to compromise the real lives lived in this world for talking about some fantasy land that will never be, I hold them accountable for the vast amount of suffering in Africa as well as the additional unwanted pregnancies, and this idea that you're not responsible because the church teaches an unrealizable fantasy in place of a sensible approach to reality is just bullshit. You're responsible for the consequences of your beliefs, not God. God hasn't been around. This is all on you.

Right, but again, we oppose contraception in place of abstinence, which is the only 100% sure way of preventing aids. Of someone has aids, they shouldn't be having sex with other people with or without a condom because there is still risk of infecting them. The message given in Africa was never "have sex without a condom." It was "abstain from having sex." If this was actually practiced, it would have done more good than anything else in the prevention of pregnancy and the spread of aids. No one has premarital sex and then refrains from using a condom due to Church teaching. If they were following church teaching, they wouldn't be having sex in the first place.

Other than that, I don't care for the way you're talking to me and the language, when I took the time to respond to your post respectfully.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that? - by Catholic_Lady - August 7, 2018 at 7:58 am

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