RE: The absolute absurdity of God
August 7, 2018 at 7:20 pm
(This post was last modified: August 7, 2018 at 7:32 pm by Angrboda.)
(August 7, 2018 at 3:38 pm)SteveII Wrote: Has to be on the list. A decision is a thing only a person can make. A first cause must have within itself a mechanism to cause an effect that was not there from eternity past.
Still wrong. We've been over this several times and seem at an impasse. You seem to delight in asserting it even though the fundamental arguments for it are flawed. As best I can recall, you never responded to my pointing out that your first response to the problem didn't actually solve the problem. If you responded and I simply missed it, feel free to bring it to my attention. Oh, and for what it's worth, it doesn't require a person to make a decision. Computers do it all the time. There's no reason to believe that God's creative act and his being are not co-extensive, other than that you need to make the assumption to reach your conclusion. Furthermore, as I've argued elsewhere, a sentient God with all the other relevant properties is indistinguishable from a God that is not sentient whose decisions are driven by his omniscience. So nothing it seems, can get you to a personal God being necessary.
(August 7, 2018 at 4:48 pm)SteveII Wrote: Personal? because a decision to create had to be made otherwise the effect (the universe) would have been just as timelessly existing as its cause and not just 14 billions years ago.
That 14 billion years is all post-creation and so it doesn't even factor into the equation. That you even bring it up makes me strongly suspect you don't know what you're talking about.
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