RE: The absolute absurdity of God
August 14, 2018 at 1:09 pm
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2018 at 1:14 pm by RoadRunner79.)
(August 14, 2018 at 11:06 am)Simon Moon Wrote:(August 14, 2018 at 9:12 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Thanks for clarifying my mistake. There is some scripture which suggest that God is not bound by time and interacts with time differently, but it’s not nearly as strong as his eternalness. In any case, this doesn’t remove the arguments against a past infinite number of events, and not being able to traverse an infinite. If time is a physical property of the universe (which I believe), then it would have began with the universe. It would also follow that something which is non-material, would not be constrained by time if it is a physical property.
Then you are using a definition for the word "exists" that is completely incoherent.
Existence is necessarily temporal and spacial. So, how can your god exist without a space, or without any time to do it in?
If you are defining existence in such a way that does not require time or space, please explain.
Exists - haveing objective reality or being.
This is one definition, but those that I looked at, do not support your statement. Webster’s even mentions spiritual or physical being.
(August 14, 2018 at 10:52 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(August 14, 2018 at 9:12 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Thanks for clarifying my mistake. There is some scripture which suggest that God is not bound by time and interacts with time differently, but it’s not nearly as strong as his eternalness. In any case, this doesn’t remove the arguments against a past infinite number of events, and not being able to traverse an infinite. If time is a physical property of the universe (which I believe), then it would have began with the universe. It would also follow that something which is non-material, would not be constrained by time if it is a physical property.
As demonstrated in the thread in which Steve brought up those arguments, they're not particularly compelling. But I guess when your reasoning is driven by your ideology, you'll accept weak arguments in place of strong ones.
I don’t think that my reasoning is driven by ideology. And I think that they do make sense, both logically and mathematically as can be demonstrated. For instance in Zeno’s parodox. What you find convincing however, may be dependent on your ideology.
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If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther