RE: The absolute absurdity of God
August 14, 2018 at 1:47 pm
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2018 at 2:07 pm by SteveII.)
(August 14, 2018 at 8:52 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:(August 13, 2018 at 7:53 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: It seems to be hardly ad hoc; if the eternalness of God goes back milenia. This is not something that was just made up, as a solution to a problem.
If God exists eternally in the past, he's a past-infinite himself, and the same argument against the universe ever occurring because the past is infinite applies to God. Making God 'timeless' is clearly an attempt to have your cake (eternal God) and eat it too (can somehow begin a universe without time being involved beforehand). It has the advantage of sounding profound and the disadvantage of not making any additional sense if you think about it for ten seconds.
You are welcome to interact with my syllogism I wrote above (which I think addresses your point).
Deductive Argument:
1. The cause is past-eternal
2. The effect (the universe) is not past-eternal
3. The cause exists prior to the effect (from 1-2)
4. If a cause is sufficient to produce its effect then if the cause is there, so is the effect.
5. The cause-->effect was not deterministic (from 3-4)
6. A mind with intention (libertarian free will) is the only completely non-deterministic cause
7. Therefore the cause is a mind with intention (personal).
(August 14, 2018 at 1:44 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: How can something exist prior to time? It doesn’t make any sense to use language that suggests a timeless state existed chronologically as point on a timeline.
Causally prior to is an entirely rational/coherent distinction.