RE: The absolute absurdity of God
August 14, 2018 at 5:03 pm
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2018 at 5:33 pm by Simon Moon.)
(August 14, 2018 at 4:16 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(August 14, 2018 at 2:45 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: How can something have being, without time to 'be' in? If there is no time, then something cannot 'be'.
How can something exist, if there is no space to do it in?
Do time and space exist? Do they have to exist within another time and space. So on, and so on ad infintum?
Time and space do not exist. They are attributes of the universe, which does exist.
If you measure an object and find that it is 2 meters long, does that mean 2 meters exists? No, it is an attribute of the object being measured.
(August 14, 2018 at 5:03 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(August 14, 2018 at 2:45 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: How can something exist, if there is no space to do it in?
The number 7 doesn't seem too take up too much room.
And the number 7 does not exist, except as a concept in our minds.
Are you saying that your god is a concept in our minds, like the number 7?
Wow! We agree on something!
(August 14, 2018 at 4:31 pm)SteveII Wrote: If by 'something' you mean something material, then yes, your point is correct.
God (and a first cause) is not material. Therefore does not have to have 'space' to contain him. Nor does he need 'time' that is a necessary dimension of a series of causes/effects because why would an omniscient God be in some sort of continuous state of changing to mark the passage of time? He would just exist timelessly between any decision to act.
Yes, I know that is what you believe.
As I said earlier, you are then defining the word "exist" in some very incoherent way that you need to clarify. Just repeating that your god 'exists' in some special way that doesn't require space and time, tells me nothing, and begs so many questions, I don't know where to start.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
