RE: The absolute absurdity of God
August 15, 2018 at 9:42 am
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2018 at 9:43 am by Mister Agenda.)
(August 14, 2018 at 1:28 pm)SteveII Wrote:(August 14, 2018 at 9:22 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: The impossibility of a past infinity has never been proven. It is counter-intuitive but can't be logically deduced without assuming the conclusion. I'm agnostic about whether it's possible. From my point of view, theologians tie themselves in knots over this seeming paradox unnecessarily. Zeno presented us with paradoxes, but the paradox doesn't actually keep us from overtaking and passing the slower runner or keep the arrow from reaching its target. The paradox of an infinite past never catching up to the present may be similar in nature. Even if time is past infinite, there has to be a present time somewhen, right?
Yes, it is proven to be impossible. By logic. If there are infinite series of events in the past, we could never have gone through them one after another to get to the current event. At any step in the series, there would always be an infinite more events that needed to be traversed.
Zeno proved nothing. His examples were dividing. We are talking about addition: one event added at a time in a series.
Saying a past infinite may still be possible is a high intellectual price to pay in an argument. That's why most back away and claim the universe is a brute fact. Not that we don't know the explanation, but there is no explanation.
Then present the proof, in formal logic. I am prepared to be amazed and for you to make history. As I predicted, so far you've only assumed your conclusion, essentially 'a past infinite is impossible, therefore a past infinite is impossible'. That's what accepting it as a brute fact means. You've started and stopped at your premise and proven nothing.
(August 14, 2018 at 5:03 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(August 14, 2018 at 2:45 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: How can something exist, if there is no space to do it in?
The number 7 doesn't seem too take up too much room.
It takes up a little bit, though.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.