RE: The absolute absurdity of God
August 17, 2018 at 9:04 am
(This post was last modified: August 17, 2018 at 9:16 am by Mister Agenda.)
(August 16, 2018 at 1:48 pm)SteveII Wrote:(August 16, 2018 at 9:46 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: It's questionable whether past events are real objects...they did exist but they don't exist now.
You are equivocating between the 'past' and physical events that were in the past. Of course they are real. We would not have the effect today without the causes of yesterday.
They were real. 'Are' is the incorrect tense.
(August 16, 2018 at 2:20 pm)SteveII Wrote:(August 16, 2018 at 9:53 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: The mathematical model of spacetime models, um, spacetime, which is really real. Currently really real. Unlike the past, which is in the past, which is not a real place in the same sense that Albuquerque is a real place (for now).
1. In other words, YOU need it for YOUR argument to work.
What are you talking about? You must really not understand the argument at all if you think a first cause did not have to be past-eternal.
I understand that your statement is an assertion, not an argument.
(August 16, 2018 at 2:20 pm)SteveII Wrote: Again, quantum particles materialize out of an energy field (the material cause). We don't know why they seem indeterminate. Seems like an argument from ignorance only repeated in atheist forums.
Not an argument from ignorance, and you should see how physicists go on about it. And the energy field is a property of space, quantum particles are all about location, a property of space, and the impossibility of knowing both the location and momentum of a particle, even if it's (0,0), the location and momentum of a particle that doesn't exist. Space itself generates the false vacuum.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.