Back to the beginning: the cave

[robvalue]

While I agree with you, I'm pretty sure every theist on this forum will think it't the other way.  They are out in the light of reality, and we are the ones in a cave refusing to see it.  I mean, they call it enlightenment for a reason, they feel as if they have discovered some secret truth. They are special, chosen, enlightened. Like Harry Potter finding out he's a wizard!

It's pretty hard to realize the whole universe is just muggles all the way down, and accept we aren't really special at all.

Sure, yes. I often think that one or other of us is insane. But I know it's not as simple as that. I believe they are just interpreting things in ways they have been programmed to think, and adding significance to things that we would not. They rely on emotions, and then try and rationalise after the fact which is why their arguments are always flawed.

They also mistake their internal dialogue for external, and so on.