Does Quran prove God?

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You have to decide if you’re talking about some sort of value we inherently have, or a value as interpreted/decided by god. It can’t be both at once. Or if it is, the latter is redundant.

The idea that something needs to be seen in order to exist is extremely bizarre, and I don’t know where you’re getting it from. Of course god has to exist in order to perceive some sort of value in us, and if he didn’t, then he wouldn’t. But I see no problem in us either existing anyway with our values which could potentially be decoded by god, or just not having these values at all.

Since I don’t actually know what these values are supposed to be, I can’t comment much further on them. If my values are evident just due to my existence, then I see no further contingency necessary. Observed by a decoder or not, they are there.