RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any? Simplified arguments version.
October 12, 2018 at 12:23 pm
(October 12, 2018 at 12:09 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It would be if you say each point is an effect, so whole thing is an effect.
No, not necessarily. Every single point? Yes. The whole line? Not if it's an infinite line.
Quote:But induction is seeing that no matter what size you give, the same reasoning that proves it to be an effect, will prove it in this case. And in this case, the line is an effect due to composition. But since applying parts to whole sometimes is right but sometimes is wrong, you have to look an it inductively. Therefore you have to see the reason why a whole line is still all an effect, will apply here.
But a whole line, if it's infinite, is infinite ... even though each of its points is "finite" in size.
Quote:So it's proper use of induction, to see the infinite series would remain an effect. The only aspect of it is that we resorted to an infinite chain to do away with a beginning. And if it didn't have a beginning and had no reason to be brought to being this would be true. But by induction, we can apply that infinite chain is still an effect.
You're losing me here. I'm not seeing how a line must be finite in length just because the individual points in it are "finite" points.
Quote:Here it looks like this.
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(still an effect)
Why? Cause it's made out of -
An infinite series of ---- would not have a beginning, but still made out ----
Yeah ... but an infinite number of these dashes is possible, even if each dash is finite in size ...
Quote:To give an example, it's like saying, well saying you know I can lift 300 pounds.
But I can't lift 350, so I can't life 400, but all of sudden, you say, well if it was infinite pounds it would be different and perhaps I can lift it.
In this case, the property of contingency, can be see by induction, to remain no matter how much we grow it, infinite or not.
No, if your limit is 300 pounds, then that's the limit.
If, however, there's no limit, then inductive reasoning suggests that you should keep going forever ...
That said, your wording is rather confusing, and I may not have understood what you're really arguing.
