RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any? Simplified arguments version.
October 12, 2018 at 4:40 pm
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2018 at 4:41 pm by Aliza.)
(October 12, 2018 at 4:15 pm)PRJA93 Wrote:(October 12, 2018 at 2:39 pm)Aliza Wrote: Yeah, and what? Why do I need a reason to think something is true when the choices are simply "I feel this way" or "I feel that way"? If someone says you, "I'm in love with Jane and I'm going to ask her to marry me," do you demand evidence of their love and if so, by what metric do you judge another person's affection? -Or do you simply examine the testimony of this person and maybe some indirect evidence as being sufficient to decide, "Yes, I believe they're in love," or "No, I don't believe they're in love." Either way, you never really know for sure.
What explanation do I owe to anyone other than myself to justify a position that has no impact on them what-so-ever? -Now in fairness, I might align myself with a group of people who have loads of wooy ideas and try to influence the public sphere based on those ideas, but I haven't identified myself as that kind of person. I have only addressed the subject of belief.
First of all, your example makes ZERO sense in relation to what I'm saying for a myriad of reasons, but I'll play your little game. In this example you put forth, said person would have some personal evidence that Jane loves them back. In your case, there is nothing. Just an empty exclamation of "I believe in a god... because I do."
In reality you believe in god because, more than likely, you were raised in that set of beliefs and rather than examining those beliefs, which is uncomfortable, you've simply accepted them as true.
So if you're fine with being that intellectually dishonest with yourself, you're right, who cares?
I don't. But I certinaly will not flinch at telling you how intellectually dishonest you are. I wonder if you could get away with that in school?
Professor, you're just going to have to trust that I did my assignment. Why do I owe you any explanation? The assignment is done and that's that.
Okay, so don't. No one is asking you to.
(October 12, 2018 at 2:17 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(October 12, 2018 at 1:49 pm)Aliza Wrote: I also wonder why atheists bother asking that question. In asking that, they're issuing me a challenge and they know I don't have an answer for it. But somehow, they think I've never thought of that question, have never pondered it, and that somehow in asking me this I'm supposed to have this instant moment of sudden realization that everything I've ever believed is false.
I don't know where G-d comes from and I don't really give a shit because my belief isn't based on my ability to explain the origins of G-d. My belief is based on my evaluation of the material that's been presented to me, and not a single person has given me a good reason for me to change my position. People have given me good reasons to lesson my religious observance, and I've acted on those reasons.
Well, the question is usually meant as a counter to the question that is asked by some theists challenging atheists, namely "where did the universe come from?" We don't usually do it just to taunt theists like you.
Nevermind. Apparently, some of us do.
Yup.